i wish they would make nicotine illegal the way they make cocain illegal. i work in a long term care facillity for the chronically mentally ill and so many of the residents have lung problems. we had to discharge a resident yesterday because he's be laying around smoking (he's motorly retarded - but not coginitively retarded) since he was 10 and now he's 41 and can't get an oxygen saturation level in the 90's without oxygen. with oxygen he only gets 96%. we're not allowed to have oxygen at our facillity. he's been told he'll die if he smokes but he doesn't care - all he cares about is his nicotine addiction. people who smoke are just that - addicts. no different than the crack head.
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they are addicted but I wouldn't say the same as a crackhead. Maybe the guy does care but has given up all hope so why quit now is that the only thing giving him any pleasure. I haven't quit eating all the junk I know I should. I'd like to but I just like it all too much. We all have our "addictions" I think. Some things are easier to quit then others.
how is being addicted to nicotine not like being addicted to crack? i heard from a doctor that nicotine is actually more addicting than cocain. in fact it might be THE most addicting substance. it should be illeagal because it's a waste of money and kids have to breath in second hand smoke - they have no choice they're kids. when you tell somebody they're going to die because they're oxygen saturation is 80% without oxygen and they still refuse i don't see how they're different from a crackhead. the doctor told him he was going to die and he said "when?".
Since there is nothing healthy in the candy bar, and it is making our kids overweight, lets make that illegal too. All I am saying, is that we all have a choice. We can choose to eat the blizzard when we are already 100# overwieght, smoke the cigarette when already on O2, or drink when there are three DWI already under our belts.
If I am old, no longer able to do what I want, or can, I hope no one tells me I can't have a big bowl of icecream, cup of coffee, and a cigar if I choose to.....
If I am old, no longer able to do what I want, or can, I hope no one tells me I can't have a big bowl of icecream, cup of coffee, and a cigar if I choose to.....
I am sure we remember what happened with Prohibition, and hfergen made several good points about obesity being the MAJOR problem. We all have a CHOICE. Being a School Lunch Survivor myself, I truly think that the school lunches WAAAY back left a bit to be desired.
IMHO, one can smoke and drive, and not be impaired. Drinking and driving? No contest. And I agree again with hfergren about when we are old....
I am glad to see this thread stay so 'level'. :)
'Cat'
IMHO, one can smoke and drive, and not be impaired. Drinking and driving? No contest. And I agree again with hfergren about when we are old....
I am glad to see this thread stay so 'level'. :)
'Cat'
Funny this topic came up on here, I was going to post about quitting smoking. I know I have to and really am scared of the withdrawal symptoms and the lifestyle change I will have to make. I know that in my clinicals next quarter the last 10 hours and I will not be able to smoke. I got the new drub prescription for Chantrix. Anyone have some insight on this new drug or any tips for me?
While nicotine/smoking is not illegal, the antismoking lobbies have been chipping away at the tobacco industry's armor for quite some time and is starting to make headway.
I quit smoking round 1998 and to this day, I get the urge to smoke each time I see, smell or hear anything about smoking. Was tough to quit and difficult to stay that way.
Best I can say, is get as many people to quit as you can, and keep as many kids from starting as possible.
The city of Philadelphia is now largely smoke free, and if we keep pressuring our legislatures, store/restaurant owners, etc that we won't tolerate smoking where we eat, go to school and shop, we will continue to make headway.
Smoking has killed enough people and sickened even more, we'll be taking care of smokers for a very long time in our hospitals and nursing homes.
Enough is enough.
Andrew Lopez, RN
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I quit smoking round 1998 and to this day, I get the urge to smoke each time I see, smell or hear anything about smoking. Was tough to quit and difficult to stay that way.
Best I can say, is get as many people to quit as you can, and keep as many kids from starting as possible.
The city of Philadelphia is now largely smoke free, and if we keep pressuring our legislatures, store/restaurant owners, etc that we won't tolerate smoking where we eat, go to school and shop, we will continue to make headway.
Smoking has killed enough people and sickened even more, we'll be taking care of smokers for a very long time in our hospitals and nursing homes.
Enough is enough.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
it is hard to say cigarettes are an "addictive" substance. But, for the smoker it "calms them down" when they smoke. But, it is legal as is alchohol. The States are cracking down. But, what I want to know is. With all that occurs to peoples well being. How can a big fat dude tell me to stop smoking. Or my pill popping brother... BTW- he has never smoked, drank or drugged and is 32. But, those vitamins and body building supplements are important to him. Funny is he doesen't even judge his big sister, he is a great guy.
It seems that people judge by what they learn from books rather than what they see in the eyes of another human being. Thanks for letting me a part of this forum
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It seems that people judge by what they learn from books rather than what they see in the eyes of another human being. Thanks for letting me a part of this forum
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How do you figure it is hard to say? It's a fact documented a million times over.
Might want to check where you're getting your info from. Mine is from the American Lung, American Heart Association, Centers for Disease Control, etc.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
Might want to check where you're getting your info from. Mine is from the American Lung, American Heart Association, Centers for Disease Control, etc.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
It is hard (for me) to say that and make a difference is what I should have said. Because it is legal and it is hard (for me) to believe something as addictive as that is legal. It is hard (for me) to understand why alcohol is legal.. Hope that helps!
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nurse1stik wrote:It is hard (for me) to say that and make a difference is what I should have said. Because it is legal and it is hard (for me) to believe something as addictive as that is legal. It is hard (for me) to understand why alcohol is legal.. Hope that helps!
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Just because something legal, doesn't make it safe.
Cocaine was once legal, till they learned how dangerous it was.
If you read up on nicotine, you'll learn quite a bit on how addictive it is.
Is nicotine addictive? National Institute on Drug Abuse:"Yes. Most smokers use tobacco regularly because they are addicted to nicotine. Addiction is characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, even in the face of negative health consequences. It is well documented that most smokers identify tobacco use as harmful and express a desire to reduce or stop using it, and nearly 35 million of them want to quit each year. Unfortunately, only about 6 percent of people who try to quit are successful for more than a month."
National Institute on Drug Abuse
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E-mail information@nida.nih.gov or call 301-443-1124
http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/nicotine/nicotine2.html#addictive
You'll learn how cigarette companies have worked hard, to make them "extremely" addictive and difficult to quit.
Sincerely,
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the man i'm speaking of is 41 years old. my boss said if he got pneumonia he would probably die. yeah cocain, lsd, marijuana used to be legal. not driving with a seatbelt used to be legal. i think humanity has to move on and ban nicotine. sure you can smoke a cigarette but it would be illegal to have nicotine in it. and if there's no nicotine in the cigarette people will eventually give it up. it's not the cigarette itself - it's the devil nicotine in it. the tabacco companies purposely put it in to get people to buy their products.
The tobacco industry via lobbyist, etc. will never succumb to smoking becoming illegal. However, I'm all in favor of banning tobacco products. Yet, I can't see that ever happening D/T $$$ that would be lost. On the flip side, think of the reduction in health cost in the long term if tobacco was banned.
Yes, the nicotine in cigarettes are addictive... FACT! BTW, nobody [IMHO] is judging here. Does smoking make the individual a bad person? Of course not! Does contaminating my air with second hand smoke make that smoker a bad person? Of course not! However, does the non-smoker have a right to expect to be able to eat in smoke-free restaurant? YES!
I'm not one to compare apples to oranges, sports cars to muscle cars, American football to English football, etc. So, why does the issue of obesity & alcohol abuse/alcoholism seem to always creep into conversations about smoking? I seldom drink alcohol, but some benefits can be had such as from red wine. Plus, except for driving under the influence, alcohol does not harm others like cigarette smoking does with second hand smoke.
Yes, obesity can be considered an addiction. However, usually treat the underlying problem [depression, loneliness, etc.] along with changes in lifestyle regards to eating & exercise you can beat it. Yet, I don't know if obesity is an actual chemical addiction like nicotine.
Again, remember non-smokers don't hate the smoker... they hate the effects smoking has on EVERYBODY. ;)
Yes, the nicotine in cigarettes are addictive... FACT! BTW, nobody [IMHO] is judging here. Does smoking make the individual a bad person? Of course not! Does contaminating my air with second hand smoke make that smoker a bad person? Of course not! However, does the non-smoker have a right to expect to be able to eat in smoke-free restaurant? YES!
I'm not one to compare apples to oranges, sports cars to muscle cars, American football to English football, etc. So, why does the issue of obesity & alcohol abuse/alcoholism seem to always creep into conversations about smoking? I seldom drink alcohol, but some benefits can be had such as from red wine. Plus, except for driving under the influence, alcohol does not harm others like cigarette smoking does with second hand smoke.
Yes, obesity can be considered an addiction. However, usually treat the underlying problem [depression, loneliness, etc.] along with changes in lifestyle regards to eating & exercise you can beat it. Yet, I don't know if obesity is an actual chemical addiction like nicotine.
Again, remember non-smokers don't hate the smoker... they hate the effects smoking has on EVERYBODY. ;)
We can choose to eat the blizzard when we are already 100# overwieght, smoke the cigarette when already on O2, or drink when there are three DWI already under our belts.
I have to agree with this. For things like cigarettes and fattening foods, we know, we have proof what it causes and what it does to us. It is up to the individual on whether they say yes or no.
Marie_LPN wrote:I have to agree with this. For things like cigarettes and fattening foods, we know, we have proof what it causes and what it does to us. It is up to the individual on whether they say yes or no.Very true, no one can make another individual stop but the actual individual.
ok go ahead and smoke but don't ask for my tax dollars to pay for your treatment or rehab or prescriptions for lung cancer, chronic bronchitis, copd, emphysema, oxygen, inhalers, etc. if you want to smoke then you and you alone pay the big bill that comes with it.
As long as I'm not asked to pay for the end stage liver pt's treatment, or the comatosed pt from drinking too much. There are so many ways to look at things and many reasons not to agree with each one. This forum has been great without people getting defensive or rude....says alot for us as a group.
Unfortunately, we are going to continue to pay for others choices. I see everyday the "vegetative" babies that are born to mothers that abused drugs while pregnant. These little ones will live until they are 50 because there is nothing wrong with their heart, but their brains are mush. Since the mom is not fit to handle the care, the baby goes into foster care where there are minimal number of qualified caregivers to care for a trach baby. The state will pay for the babies medical coverage for the rest of his life and the monthly cost of caring for him. This is only after the $1.5 million hospital bill at birth.
Unfortunately, we are going to continue to pay for others choices. I see everyday the "vegetative" babies that are born to mothers that abused drugs while pregnant. These little ones will live until they are 50 because there is nothing wrong with their heart, but their brains are mush. Since the mom is not fit to handle the care, the baby goes into foster care where there are minimal number of qualified caregivers to care for a trach baby. The state will pay for the babies medical coverage for the rest of his life and the monthly cost of caring for him. This is only after the $1.5 million hospital bill at birth.
hfergrn wrote:As long as I'm not asked to pay for the end stage liver pt's treatment, or the comatosed pt from drinking too much. There are so many ways to look at things and many reasons not to agree with each one. This forum has been great without people getting defensive or rude....says alot for us as a group.My main issue is the second hand smoke consequence suffered by non-smokers. However, you are correct in that we ALL $$$ for bad health choices made by some of our patients.
Unfortunately, we are going to continue to pay for others choices. I see everyday the "vegetative" babies that are born to mothers that abused drugs while pregnant. These little ones will live until they are 50 because there is nothing wrong with their heart, but their brains are mush. Since the mom is not fit to handle the care, the baby goes into foster care where there are minimal number of qualified caregivers to care for a trach baby. The state will pay for the babies medical coverage for the rest of his life and the monthly cost of caring for him. This is only after the $1.5 million hospital bill at birth.
This forum has been great without people getting defensive or rude....says alot for us as a group.
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MagRedC5 wrote:My main issue is the second hand smoke consequence suffered by non-smokers. However, you are correct in that we ALL $$$ for bad health choices made by some of our patients.
This forum has been great without people getting defensive or rude....says alot for us as a group.
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and bad choices of our co-workers also. I work in KY which is land of cheap smokes and farmers still plant a tobacco base. They have a city law now for no smoking in resturants but we still have a smoking area for staff in a closed in gazebo in winter (the plastic comes off in summer). We have to walk up 60 steps from the parking lot to the building and if you follow a smoker in you get to breath it to or stand at the bottom of the steps when it's 20 degrees and wait for the smoke to clear. I think a CEO is going to get a letter soon about how much sense that makes.
As I am in KY, I know what you mean. It all comes down to responsibility. Take responsibility for your actions!!! My favorite is the asthma kid in the ICU who's parents keep going outside for a smoke.
Wasn't there something in the news about some states making it an offense to smoke in the presence of children. I know PA has something about that while in a car....
Wasn't there something in the news about some states making it an offense to smoke in the presence of children. I know PA has something about that while in a car....