I am finishing the last of my pre-requisite courses this semester and plan to start nursing school in the fall. The question I have for you all is have any of you worked with a nurse that was heavily tattooed?
When I say heavily, I am referring to a full sleeve tattoo in the Japanese Irezumi style. Nothing on the hands, neck, face, etc. I have a full sleeve on my left arm, and the majority of my right is tattooed also. No offensive images, nudity, violence or anything that would be considered shocking or immoral. I know that in todays society, these kinds of things are not looked favorably upon in some circles, and am trying to get a reaction from those of you already in the profession.
I had the opportunity to talk with the Director of Nursing from one of the local hospitals and presented the question to him, and was told that as long as I was an accredited RN and could do the job, he could care less about the tattoos.
I would hate to think that this is something that could be an obstacle to hiring me at a hospital.
I've worked with several healthcare professionals who had some major artwork going on. Mostly that was when I worked in the OR. Lots of people have tattoos, including patients. In fact, my brother got a big one on his upper arm when he graduated nursing school (he was a real estate appraiser). It definitely shows from under his scrub sleeve, but nobody has ever said anything negative to him. And he works in the ED, so he sees a lot of people. Since you said it's tasteful and not vulgar, it shouldn't be an issue.:)
Some facilities require you to cover the tattoos by wearing a long sleeved shirt under your scrub top since there are some closed minded patients who do not like them.
This question does come up here from time to time so it may interest you to look back through the archives. I am a male nurse who has no tattoos and no bias against them. I do however, believe that with whatever pleasure they provide, they can and do present hardships for those who have them. When one gets a tattoo and displays it publicly, (s)he makes a statement and much like with words, that tattoo speaks. This does for neither right nor wrong reasons, invite judgement that the wearer may or may not actually be aware of. Ever notice how sometimes, people either shy away from or draw near to a tattooed person? The bottom line is that with the color, comes a lot of responsibility- lifelong. Judgement is made.
Now to answer your actual question, I have worked with many people who have tattoos. Depending on the facility, the individual has been asked to cover the tattoo(s). In my current facility, you aren't required to cover tattoos which I'm sure relieves some tension for tattooed people but I have been in situations where patients are uncomfortable. Most of the time, nothing is said at all but some have said things. Of course this has a lot to do with the tattoo itself. I've heard little old ladies say "oh, my late husband got a tattoo just like that when he was in the Navy". Others have said "why on earth would you ever get a big scorpion tattoed on your arm"? I've seen the disapproval reaction where nothing is said but the mood is strained.
This begs the question, who's rights are infringed upon? The patient has the right to be at-ease with care providers within reason, and the staff have a right to self expression within reason. What is reasonable? The same can be said about hair color and style, make up, jewelry and location thereof, fashion, etc.
My advice to you is to keep your sleeve under a sleeve while in school clinicals. When you graduate and are interviewing, keep your tattoos coverred. When you get hired, inquire about the policy. Even if the policy is liberal, pay attention to what others are doing. If you see color around, then fee free to roll up your sleeves. I worked with a paramedic who's supervisor had a prejudice against tatoos so this guy just took it upon himself to keep the celtic bands on his biceps covered. He probably could've fought but chose to just go with the flow. He was the only one who had the issue because his tattoos would sometimes be visible.
Ricu, you are correct, there is a level of responsibility that comes with the decision to get tattooed, and it is magnified when the artwork is in a "public" location. One of the things I had done before getting back into school was actually working as a tattoo artist. It was a fun job, but had more pitfalls than I was willing to deal with as a father and husband.
While I have alot of artwork, it is all easily covered by putting on long sleeves. I was always hesitant to work on a customer that asked for a tattoo on the hands, neck of face. I explained that tattoos there were a guaranteed way to separate yourself from the rest of society for good. They can't be covered, and even with the broader acceptance of tattooing in today's society, artwork in these locations could pretty much guarantee you a hard time in finding work. In one case, I had seen where a couple was not allowed to move into an apartment in San Antonio becuase they have a strict "No visible tattoo" policy!
I knew this when I started getting my body art done. While I find working in an environment where tattoos are frowned upon as somewhat humorous, in a kind of sad way, I don't get offended or angry about it. I will say that I find that I can use my art work as a kind of personality "litmus test". They way that a person reacts to me based on what is on my arms tells me a great deal about that person.
I guess I will just have to feel my way into things during school, and then go from there. Since I have already found one hospital here that the DoN had no issue with my artwork, it gives me hope, but I have had this work for years, so if I get a negative reaction from some folks, it is not going to bother me a great deal.
I just wanted to poll the community to see how many of you have worked with someone with visible artwork.
Ricu, you are correct, there is a level of responsibility that comes with the decision to get tattooed, and it is magnified when the artwork is in a "public" location. One of the things I had done before getting back into school was actually working as a tattoo artist. It was a fun job, but had more pitfalls than I was willing to deal with as a father and husband.
While I have alot of artwork, it is all easily covered by putting on long sleeves. I was always hesitant to work on a customer that asked for a tattoo on the hands, neck of face. I explained that tattoos there were a guaranteed way to separate yourself from the rest of society for good. They can't be covered, and even with the broader acceptance of tattooing in today's society, artwork in these locations could pretty much guarantee you a hard time in finding work. In one case, I had seen where a couple was not allowed to move into an apartment in San Antonio becuase they have a strict "No visible tattoo" policy!
I knew this when I started getting my body art done. While I find working in an environment where tattoos are frowned upon as somewhat humorous, in a kind of sad way, I don't get offended or angry about it. I will say that I find that I can use my art work as a kind of personality "litmus test". They way that a person reacts to me based on what is on my arms tells me a great deal about that person.
I guess I will just have to feel my way into things during school, and then go from there. Since I have already found one hospital here that the DoN had no issue with my artwork, it gives me hope, but I have had this work for years, so if I get a negative reaction from some folks, it is not going to bother me a great deal.
I just wanted to poll the community to see how many of you have worked with someone with visible artwork.
Hey 91B,
It sounds like you're in a good place when it comes to how you will fit into the healthcare community. Tattoos? Either you like 'em or you don't and I'm okay either way... You imply that an individual's personality really seems to complement the body art and I agree with that. There are many who carry quite a chip on their shoulders when it comes to how the public views their artwork.
91B wrote:I am finishing the last of my pre-requisite courses this semester and plan to start nursing school in the fall. The question I have for you all is have any of you worked with a nurse that was heavily tattooed?
When I say heavily, I am referring to a full sleeve tattoo in the Japanese Irezumi style. Nothing on the hands, neck, face, etc. I have a full sleeve on my left arm, and the majority of my right is tattooed also. No offensive images, nudity, violence or anything that would be considered shocking or immoral. I know that in todays society, these kinds of things are not looked favorably upon in some circles, and am trying to get a reaction from those of you already in the profession.
I had the opportunity to talk with the Director of Nursing from one of the local hospitals and presented the question to him, and was told that as long as I was an accredited RN and could do the job, he could care less about the tattoos.
I would hate to think that this is something that could be an obstacle to hiring me at a hospital.
Thoughts?
I just took a look at some pictures of myself way back when (1970's); yes it was a tramatic experience, if anyone saw them I doubt I would ever work again.
Point being that if all our decisions we make in life are to hinder us in our later decisions we are all screwed. I too have some art that can never be forgotten. It has never been an issue where employment is concerned, nor have I ever experienced any negative comments or looks from my patients or families. Once you have your new status of NURSE things change in how people percieve you. I seem to get more negative responces to my LOOKS when in civilian cloths than when in scrubs, people see us as life savers not as hooligans when in uniform.
So if you are truely becoming a Nurse for the proper reasons (I have an unexplainable need to help people) then you will do just fine, and you will undoubtedly run into the one or two people who will look down upon you for your lifes past decisions. Don't let them affect you, they probably think Mother Theresa was a commy spy too.:devil_smile:
As a parting gift for your heart,
The deffanition of ART is simple and streight forward:: All you need is for the ARTIST/OWNER (in this case YOU) to say it is art and have one or more persons agree with you that it is indeed art and no-one can argue the point with you. So if anyone sais anything about your ART know this:
:27: "THE WORLD IS FULL OF BAD ART CRITICS".:6:
Stay real and don't let the world dictate to you what is popper after all if you did that you wouldn't be becoming a NURSE.
I don't have a prob with tattoos personally. However I am from the south ( people tend to be more conservative here) and every hospital in my area including the one I am at now requires that tattoos be covered and that visible body peircings be removed. I think this will change with time as tattoos are becoming more and more common. I have even noticed ink on some of the med students I have seen recently.
rn9104 wrote:I don't have a prob with tattoos personally. However I am from the south ( people tend to be more conservative here) and every hospital in my area including the one I am at now requires that tattoos be covered and that visible body peircings be removed. I think this will change with time as tattoos are becoming more and more common. I have even noticed ink on some of the med students I have seen recently.
It amazes me the number of female Soldiers with tattoos these days.
Without being too obvious, I hope, I've been paying attention to body art in the healthcare setting. I'm sure everyone would agree that there has been a noticable increase in the amount of ink seen on both patients and workers alike. Some institutions require covering body art but sometimes it's obvious who has what when the same large bandaid or perpetual long sleeves never go away. I've seen the range from hideous to beautiful (my interpretation)and lately, there seems to be acceptance of everything. It wasn't that long ago when the "little old lady" would bristle at the sight of a bicep proudly displaying a skull smoking a joint. Now she says, "my grandson has ths same tattoo."
As far as piercings go. I feel that if somebody does a "double take", it needs to come out at work but, I'm old fashioned.
Believe it or not, before nursing school I had several face piercings to include: 1 labret, 2 lip rings, and my eyebrow. Upon my decision to begin Paramedic school and pre-nursing at the time, I was forced to choose between said piercings and a professional career. Fortunately, I chose nursing and paramedicine. However, I do enjoy the occasional tattoo; so long as it is in an area which can be hidden with scrubs. As far as the acceptability of ink in the hospital setting, I fear the stigma is more with the patient being cared for as opposed to the employers in general(especially in the geriatric population, as there are several negative connotations given to ink in today's society). Moreover, the occasional tattoo, so long as it is appropriate(e.g. no naked ladies, or pot plants), in the healthcare setting is becoming ever-more acceptable, when in moderation--particularly when it is a tattoo such as a star of life, etc. Research should be done into this topic, taking into account the views of employers and the patient. This sounds like an excellent utilization of free-time to me. However, I am a bit twisted in my research methodology as I recently told a prior professor/IC that I was going to do research into the detrimental effects of pop-culture and it's overwhelming affect on fire-safety, as I am afraid that when confronted with a fire, young ones will no longer "Stop Drop and Roll", instead they will be "Pop Locking and Dropping It", which is not that effective in the event of an emergency, unless you are talking about a laryngoscope that is. ;) See Nurse pracs can be funny too.
RNmedicTN wrote:Believe it or not, before nursing school I had several face piercings to include: 1 labret, 2 lip rings, and my eyebrow. Upon my decision to begin Paramedic school and pre-nursing at the time, I was forced to choose between said piercings and a professional career. Fortunately, I chose nursing and paramedicine. However, I do enjoy the occasional tattoo; so long as it is in an area which can be hidden with scrubs. As far as the acceptability of ink in the hospital setting, I fear the stigma is more with the patient being cared for as opposed to the employers in general(especially in the geriatric population, as there are several negative connotations given to ink in today's society). Moreover, the occasional tattoo, so long as it is appropriate(e.g. no naked ladies, or pot plants), in the healthcare setting is becoming ever-more acceptable, when in moderation--particularly when it is a tattoo such as a star of life, etc. Research should be done into this topic, taking into account the views of employers and the patient. This sounds like an excellent utilization of free-time to me. However, I am a bit twisted in my research methodology as I recently told a prior professor/IC that I was going to do research into the detrimental effects of pop-culture and it's overwhelming affect on fire-safety, as I am afraid that when confronted with a fire, young ones will no longer "Stop Drop and Roll", instead they will be "Pop Locking and Dropping It", which is not that effective in the event of an emergency, unless you are talking about a laryngoscope that is. ;) See Nurse pracs can be funny too.
Hey RNmedic,
We could talk at length about the detrmiental effects of pop culture, couldn't we? LOL Ah, but we all seem to have survived it. Now that you've chosen to remove your facial piercings, how do you feel about the scars? Pinpoint holes in the ears are one thing but I wonder sometimes about the lips, cheeks and nose. What about the large holes that many people especially guys end up with? I bet that this is where true regret comes in. Will they lay out the $$ and get a little cosmetic fix at some point. I know a guy who eventually had his tongue repaired. During a particularly crazy period in his life, he had it split- you know, the forked thing... Now he's in the professional workforce and wears long sleeves and high collars but he's happy.
Anyways, none of my piercings were that large(16g at the most), so I do not suffer from noticeable holes. You actually can't even notice them, lest you are too close for comfort. What they dont tell you is that with Lip rings, etc; if you take them out for more than half a day, the hole will start to close and the tissue matrix will repair itself. There will always be a small little hole, but it is no more noticeable than one in somebody's ear after they remove their piercing. Btw, I have never had my tongue pierced, so I couldnt begin to speak on that one. This was when I was 18, when I had these piercings, I am 24 now.
Anyways, none of my piercings were that large(16g at the most), so I do not suffer from noticeable holes. You actually can't even notice them, lest you are too close for comfort. What they dont tell you is that with Lip rings, etc; if you take them out for more than half a day, the hole will start to close and the tissue matrix will repair itself. There will always be a small little hole, but it is no more noticeable than one in somebody's ear after they remove their piercing. Btw, I have never had my tongue pierced, so I couldnt begin to speak on that one. This was when I was 18, when I had these piercings, I am 24 now.
It is amazing the maturity growth that takes place between 18 - 25, at least what I've seen in my own kids.
Well, to get a bit scientific; there are certain areas in the brain involved in decision making which do not fully form until you are twenty one years of age(which is why the legal age to smoke is 18 and the legal age to drink is 21). I would say, this lends alot to the decision making process.
RNmedicTN wrote:Well, to get a bit scientific; there are certain areas in the brain involved in decision making which do not fully form until you are twenty one years of age(which is why the legal age to smoke is 18 and the legal age to drink is 21). I would say, this lends alot to the decision making process.
LOL, maturity level and legal smoking & drinking age all in the same concept.
Off-topic here, and Soldier will back me up: one can enlist/carry a gun at 18, but not drink? BTW....at that age aren't we usually deciding what we're doing with our lives? Seems like many generations have done fairly well before this was broadcast. :D You may all return to the thread.
SoldierNurse wrote:LOL, maturity level and legal smoking & drinking age all in the same concept.
What can I say, I am a dreamer. lol. :shades_smile:
If it was up to me, we would all be back in the 50s sharing soda pops, and preparing to give our school pins to Sandy Sue, before the box social(or whatever the devil you children are calling it now days).
Yes, Cougar I see where you are coming from. However, I am probably
not the best example in nursing to exemplify that which is morally acceptable, as I actually took Riflery as an elective in my nursing curriculum, and when asked why by family members; I replied "Every good nurse should know how to use a gun".
RNmedicTN wrote:What can I say, I am a dreamer. lol. :shades_smile:
If it was up to me, we would all be back in the 50s sharing soda pops, and preparing to give our school pins to Sandy Sue, before the box social(or whatever the devil you children are calling it now days).
Yes, Cougar I see where you are coming from. However, I am probably
not the best example in nursing to exemplify that which is morally acceptable, as I actually took Riflery as an elective in my nursing curriculum, and when asked why by family members; I replied "Every good nurse should know how to use a gun".
"Every good nurse should know how to use a gun".
LOL, Uncle Sam needs YOU, i.e. Army Nurse Corps!
BTW, it had been 15 years since I'd qualified at the rifle range D/T break in service... before I deployed to Iraq I shot expert at the rifle range, FEB '07.
RNMedic, you ain't a dreamer; yes, every nurse should be able to defend oneself. I use a flintlock pistol, though. :D (Living History) Yes, I know how to use 'modern' weapons, but..... Speaking of which, some re-enactor friends have 'wild' tattoos and all. Try explaining THAT to healthcare workers!
It all depends on the policy of the places where you work! I personally don't understand the appeal of tattoos but have no problem if others want them. I think in some circles it's preceived as not very professional. The facility where I work makes people cover them with bandaids "like that looks any better. One of my co-worker's wears those golf sleeves at work to cover his. A good nurse is a good nirse tattooed or not, but do be prepared to have any educational organizations to require you cover them!
I work at an inner city ER in Baltimore, and a lot of the male RN's have Tattoos. One agency nurse has a sleeve that extends to his neck. It all depends on what city you work in. If you're in Springfield Il it'll be a problem. If you're in Baltimore, we're all dodging gun shots so no one cares :)
I have a couple of OR techs who were in the Sandbox, they have
USMC and Navy tattoos, and no one seems to mind them one bit.
Of course, I am in CA and things are a bit looser here in that regard. Have one young female tech who has a guns and roses
tat on her arm, and that seems to raise some eyebrows. No, we
don't require them to be covered (can't in the OR) but I personally draw the line at obscenities. Can't say that i have
seen any of the docs with tats, but you never know. When i was
in medic school my buddy got a black cadeus tattooed on his arm,
funny thing was that he was black, and you couldn't see it, he
just said the wanted it, and his mom would kill him if she saw
it, hence the color.
I don't see anything wrong with it, but maybe the patient may be uncomfortable having a nurse with tattoos. I have a small one on my shoulder, but you can only see it when I go swimming.
