does any one know anything about companies that are illegally using other peoples license?
Nursing Licenses, Drivers Licenses? What are you talking about?
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
Illegal use of some ones nursing license
nursing license this is going on, I am in a compact state and I just discovered that a nurse can work in any one of 20 states and no one checks their license they do not have to report to the board that they are even practicing in that state.
So what does that have to do with companies illegally using other peoples licenses? Sounds like you're talking about some type of identity theft.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
I just know that it is going on and I was hoping some one else was more knowledgeable about it that could give some tips on how to stop it. What I am talking about is that they hire an RN then have them work in a lower level and some one else is playing the RN part. Probably not even nurses. It gets more bazzar than that.
Could you pls. give all the details you can? Hard to figure out what U R talking about. For example what state does this type of thing take place in? From what I know RN's practice under the nursing practice act. An RN is not responsible for someone who is practicing nursing whithout a license. VA hospitals accept nursing licenses from other states. I am not aware of RN's having to inform the BRN where they are practicing nursing or where they work. Just out of curiosity are you an RN?
Yes I am an RN I live in a compact state and companies are using peoples nursing Licenses. I guess this is why they can get away with it. I don't want to go into too much detail here, sorry just looking for some one else that is aware of this to exchange info.
If you know of someone practicing nursing under someone elses license, a phone call and complaint to the State Board of Nursing will have that person thrown in jail and the company that provided them with the "borrowed" license sanctioned.
It's not a difficult situation to blow the whistle on. To sit back and do nothing isn't very ethical. Anonymous tips with appropriate details are all it takes.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
It's not a difficult situation to blow the whistle on. To sit back and do nothing isn't very ethical. Anonymous tips with appropriate details are all it takes.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
never heard of this happening. I also live in a compact state and never heard of this. Don't let it concern you too much though unless it directly affects you. My theory is that, if it doesn't affect me or bring harm to anyone around me, leave it alone. However, if you find more info on this, I'd be interested in knowing what state and institution it is for future reference.
What is a compact state?
compact states are in an agreement that if you live in and are liscensed in a state that is in the compact you can work on that states license in another state that is in the compact. I just got my KY newsletter today and they are talking compact as is FLA 2 of which I never thought would go compact. Here in IN they talked it and almost signed it and as far as I know now they are still backed out. The key is live in the state that is compact am I right? as well as licensed.
I'm glad to here that FL may possibly be going compact. I plan to move there in the near future and would love to have the option of coming back to MS to work if need be, or the possibilties of travel there. NICE....J
compact also has to do with disciplinary actions. If you are working in another state and have a problem it goes back to your home state and they are the ones that decide if disceplinary action is warrented.
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Blessed said:
never heard of this happening. I also live in a compact state and never heard of this. Don't let it concern you too much though unless it directly affects you. My theory is that, if it doesn't affect me or bring harm to anyone around me, leave it alone. However, if you find more info on this, I'd be interested in knowing what state and institution it is for future reference.
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I am not going to name the company on here at least not at this time, but when I get the proof I will nail them and then I will let you know. if they don't hurt me first.
Blessed said:
never heard of this happening. I also live in a compact state and never heard of this. Don't let it concern you too much though unless it directly affects you. My theory is that, if it doesn't affect me or bring harm to anyone around me, leave it alone. However, if you find more info on this, I'd be interested in knowing what state and institution it is for future reference.
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I am not going to name the company on here at least not at this time, but when I get the proof I will nail them and then I will let you know. if they don't hurt me first.
WOW, hurt you first? Hope your not talking about physically. Isn't that a crime? I understand your standing with this issue though, keep us posted on the turnout...J
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nursinghumor said:
Sounds kind of fishy to me. . . .
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
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what do you mean sounds fishy? I just applied at an agency that called some one else into the office while I was there after I filled out all the info and after telling me that she had lots of RN work for me than turns around and gives me jobs that are for an LPN so that this other person can work as an RN.
nursinghumor said:
Sounds kind of fishy to me. . . .
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
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what do you mean sounds fishy? I just applied at an agency that called some one else into the office while I was there after I filled out all the info and after telling me that she had lots of RN work for me than turns around and gives me jobs that are for an LPN so that this other person can work as an RN.
Till you come up with some specifics, all you're giving us to make your case is speculation.
If it is so serious that you're worried about your safety, why wouldn't you report it to the proper authorities?
If there is something unethical going on at the agency you described, there's a very easy way to find out.
All agencies are required to verify licensure with the state board, all facilities require a copy of your license from the agency. Call them up and tell them you think yours has been stolen/compromised. They'll issue you a new one, and anyone using your old will be screwed.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
If it is so serious that you're worried about your safety, why wouldn't you report it to the proper authorities?
If there is something unethical going on at the agency you described, there's a very easy way to find out.
All agencies are required to verify licensure with the state board, all facilities require a copy of your license from the agency. Call them up and tell them you think yours has been stolen/compromised. They'll issue you a new one, and anyone using your old will be screwed.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
I live in a compact state. I have worked in North Carolina under my Nebraska license. If I would have done anything wrong it would have been sent to my original licensing state. I would also have known if anyone was using my license. If you see something illegal happening you should report it to the licensing board. Also you will need more specific information to submit to them. We all need to watch out for illegal use of licenses.
I wasn't looking for you to validate what I was saying. You can choose to believe it or not. I already contacted the Board of nursing they have no way of following who is working in what state. Unless they do something wrong no one will even know except me because I am the one that is affected. And I tried to contact authorities, my E-mail was blocked. Believe it or not.
why not contact authorities in person or by registered mail?
I live in a small town and I tried the easy way first. I am sure authorities are not as attunned to this type of activity. That will be my next step. Unfortunately as I try to protect myself I am being viewed as having irratic behavior. lol this town probably thinks I am totally crazy. Nothing happens here. lol I guess I am on my own.
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nursinghumor said:
Till you come up with some specifics, all you're giving us to make your case is speculation.
If it is so serious that you're worried about your safety, why wouldn't you report it to the proper authorities?
If there is something unethical going on at the agency you described, there's a very easy way to find out.
All agencies are required to verify licensure with the state board, all facilities require a copy of your license from the agency. Call them up and tell them you think yours has been stolen/compromised. They'll issue you a new one, and anyone using your old will be screwed.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
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You are a classic example of what I have been dealing with LOL as the criminals march to a different drummer I guess I just don't have that criminal mind or I would be able to do the detective work and provide the authorities with a clear cut case. Mr Lopez, criminals have many faces and covers (religion) for one. you can bury yourself in a religious group and make people think you are the good guy. Example: Kid working in a store calls the cops on a person that has actually done nothing and tells the cop that the person stole something. Kid comes out looking like he is the good guy. This is learned behavior and carries over to all areas of life including nursing. Nurse reports another nurse for something stupid but neglects to tell them why/reason for it. I could go on forever, my point is that not everything is as it seems.
nursinghumor said:
Till you come up with some specifics, all you're giving us to make your case is speculation.
If it is so serious that you're worried about your safety, why wouldn't you report it to the proper authorities?
If there is something unethical going on at the agency you described, there's a very easy way to find out.
All agencies are required to verify licensure with the state board, all facilities require a copy of your license from the agency. Call them up and tell them you think yours has been stolen/compromised. They'll issue you a new one, and anyone using your old will be screwed.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
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You are a classic example of what I have been dealing with LOL as the criminals march to a different drummer I guess I just don't have that criminal mind or I would be able to do the detective work and provide the authorities with a clear cut case. Mr Lopez, criminals have many faces and covers (religion) for one. you can bury yourself in a religious group and make people think you are the good guy. Example: Kid working in a store calls the cops on a person that has actually done nothing and tells the cop that the person stole something. Kid comes out looking like he is the good guy. This is learned behavior and carries over to all areas of life including nursing. Nurse reports another nurse for something stupid but neglects to tell them why/reason for it. I could go on forever, my point is that not everything is as it seems.
How about a county that uses people in crises to ruin them. or how about a county that helps steal from the poor to give to the rich or some one they like or should I say "one of their own" and hide behind the police force to do it. how aboiut a scam to get some on fired so that you can take everything they have. Talk about honesty. How about stealing from some one that can't defend for themselves. How about the sheriffs department that actually goes along with it. Nothing that you can do about it because everyone is like you afraid to stand up and say that's wrong. So an innocent person is forced to endure excruciating physical pain because society has gotten to the point that money is more important that life.
Iam, does this have anything to do with the original topic? If not don't expect a response. I'm not going to get dragged into a long, drawn out geopolitical discussion on right/wrong, good guys/bad guys.
There doesn't seem to anyone around who's dealt with what you claim to be dealing with.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
There doesn't seem to anyone around who's dealt with what you claim to be dealing with.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
I guess it boils down to identity theft. and maybe people are not aware of it
Mr. Lopes why do you feel so compelled to respond? This is a nurses forum I am a nurse and am having some problems with this issue and if you can not help why can't you support by talking without attacking?
I was hoping we'd be able to find out exactly what was going on, lend assistance and maybe warn a few people.
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursinga2z.com
Since I am basically a floor nurse and it is hard for me to know what goes on at the management level I am discovering things after the fact which makes it difficult to prove. Plus working by myself with this is also making it difficult. I have gotten to the point I don't know who to trust. ok here is an example I signed up with this registry like I said she faxed a paper to the facility telling them that I would be working for them on this particular night and they faxed back the paper acepting me as the RN that would be working. As soon as she got the paper back she told me that I would be working the LPN shift and this other girl stated " I guess I'm the RN now and she assigned that woman my shift. The RN shift, but left them thinking it would be me. When I got home I phoned her and told her that I would not be working for her.
I have contacted the Board of Nursing. Also the recruiter that wanted me to pick up the application at 9:30 last night went to school here in this state and the owner of the agency has an LPN friend in the same town where I live and a mother that works in house keeping. Not sure if it is at this same motel but there is a problem here in this town. I know this all sounds crazy but I really believe that there is a lot of illegal activity going on here. But, who cares right?
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Blessed said:
WOW, hurt you first? Hope your not talking about physically. Isn't that a crime? I understand your standing with this issue though, keep us posted on the turnout...J
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that type of crime is easier to deal with. This other stuff is more difficult to prove.
Blessed said:
WOW, hurt you first? Hope your not talking about physically. Isn't that a crime? I understand your standing with this issue though, keep us posted on the turnout...J
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that type of crime is easier to deal with. This other stuff is more difficult to prove.
small town small minds for some. want to learn how to get away with illegal stuff come to this town and they can even justify it. lol They have no problem hurting people. They will not let older women live a normal life here.
what town is that in?
I think my family is behind this, nice isn't it. Brother with an MBA
this is more serious than I thought, it is turning into a hate crime God do I need help
I have followed this thread. If U suspect that the agency that you are employed by is unethical it might be best to work for one that is. If someone is practicing nursing without a license I dont see how you would be responsible for their actions. RN's can be placed in a position meant for an LPN but are still held to an RN standard when practicing nursing. Yes I have seen uneducated non nursing folks making ignorant decisions as far as delegating tasks to unqualified people. Best to steer clear of those situations. Unfortuantly as nurses we may be a witness to many wrongdoings in the profession it is very difficult to look the other way but on the other hand seems as if we get the hell punished out of us if we Blow the Whistle. Sounds like you are a very sensitive person with high standards. Find a place of employmen whose standards match yours. Private duty might be a better environment for you. Hate crime? Against who? I am feeling a little bit confused. Good LUCK!
Shelly,
The hate crime is against me. They have been very vague with their actions up until now. And you are right, I plan on going back to working in a hospital that was in LTC. I miss working and the atmosphere. I know that I can work in an LPN position and as an RN be held accountable. That's where the problem comes in. Oh I don't want to dwell on this topic. I did what I could do for as long as I could, it's time to move on. Thanks you helped me to see this a little more clearly. and you helped me to be a little stronger to endure this other stuff that is going on.
The hate crime is against me. They have been very vague with their actions up until now. And you are right, I plan on going back to working in a hospital that was in LTC. I miss working and the atmosphere. I know that I can work in an LPN position and as an RN be held accountable. That's where the problem comes in. Oh I don't want to dwell on this topic. I did what I could do for as long as I could, it's time to move on. Thanks you helped me to see this a little more clearly. and you helped me to be a little stronger to endure this other stuff that is going on.
dont know much about others using someone else's nursing license, but I am really angry that the facility where I work at has re-hired a nurse who worked 2 months on a non renewed license. She worked 2 months knowing that she didnt have a valid license and it irritates me to know that this so called LPN is working side by side to other nurses who have had their licenses in good standing for many years. MY DON said she had no choice but to hire this nurse back because "we have a shortage of nurses in the facility". So its ok to overlook the fact that this LPN worked 2 months without a valid nursing license, and we are suppose to pretend like it never happened while this 27 year LPN veteran who is 70 years old tries to boss us younger RN's around when she has no clue what she is talking about. Talk about a sad situation.
If she was actually doing nursing duties with an expired license you can report her to the board. When I moved cross country I started working for a fcility before my license came in, but I was doing non nursing stuff, getting to know the facility, basically on orientation for 2 weeks. If you don't mind me saying something, don't bother with the politics. Is this a LTC facility?
yes, this LPN with a non-renewed license worked 2 months knowing full well she was not licensed. How did I find out? I frequently go to my states professional regulation site to see who has gotten in trouble in the state. I just decided to look this nurse up because she was talking about how long she had been a nurse. I couldnt believe it when I saw she was working on a non-renewed licensed. Call me a tattle tale, but I had to say something to the DON. The DON was elated that she had finally found a reason to fire the 70 year old woman. The LPN had called in the day before and then didnt even show up for work the next day. I hadnt said anything to the DON at this time. I knew I was going to work with her, and I didnt want to be responsible for this LPN. She would actually be working on my RN license. I was not going to allow this to happen. But she didnt show up for work and I was relieved. The DON appolized to me for hiring her back. The DON tells me that the LPN is a know it all and a loud mouth, but we need the help. The first day after she came back to work, I had to lead her around by the nose. She knew her job there. She had been working there for almost 20 years. She decided to play dumb. She didnt do the work that was assigned to her and tried to act like she didnt know that she was supposed to do that work. What a joke. After 2 months of working on a non renewed license, taking down doctors orders, giving meds, counting narcotics with her and dealing with her trying to make me look like an idiot makes me angry. She accused me of calling the wrong doctor for one of our residents. I got so angry at her that I put the chart in front of her, pointed to the signature of the doctor and said, "there, is that good enough for you to see that I know what I am doing?" Then she had the nerve to ask the family member why they changed doctors. Talk about a complete idiot. Sorry about this post, I am rambling. I have worked too many double shifts this week and get one night off and let the posts being! LOL
That is scary and I can see why you are angry. Where do uou work? I need a job. LOL I have a feeling a lot of that goes on in LTC. I had a job where I was sandwiched in between 2 LPN's that had worked at the place for a long time. They kept pushing everything onto my shift. Being an RN means you can physically do more.