Legalize Marijuana

83 posts · started Apr 18, 2009

Last Nurse Standing Apr 18, 2009, 6:13 PM
Dr. Dean Adell was talking about this on his show this morning, and I was wondering what other nurses felt about it.

Do any of you think we might be cheating ourselves as a nation by not legalizing marijuana. I, myself, don't smoke it. But I certainly see the potential in it as a cash crop for the U.S. What do you think?
cougarnurse Apr 19, 2009, 1:40 AM
Do think it would be good for CA patients, etc., and have seen the stuff used, too. But in all honesty...I doubt widespread legalization.
Last Nurse Standing Apr 20, 2009, 8:37 PM
cougarnurse wrote:Do think it would be good for CA patients, etc., and have seen the stuff used, too. But in all honesty...I doubt widespread legalization.

I hear you, but I would have never thought our government would be shaking hands with communist dictators or owning controlling shares in the largest banks. We seem to be in an era when anything is possible, anything might happen.
TheCruiseAcademy May 1, 2009, 8:17 PM
I think it's time to legalize MJ for medical purposes for sure. It's been proven to be palliative in many cases, and to deny folks ease of their suffering is just wrong.

I really find it so wrong that California can be so liberal with their laws, and yet in another state folks are going to jail trying to score MJ for their cancer ridden family member...

MJ (and most of the other schedule 1 drugs) was only made illegal to keep the mexicans from coming across the border - Now we see how well THAT worked!(The history or MJ - A & E or History Channel!)

My vote - make it legal. NJ is currently voting on this - I hope it passes.
nursinghumor May 2, 2009, 6:56 PM
Marijuana and alcohol are gateway drugs, and alcohol is already legal and doing damage.

Very few recreational drug users go straight to heroin, cocaine or any of the other hardcore drugs. Usually they start with a gateway drug.

Marijuana is legal for certain patients, it is called Marinol:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html

It is indicated for cancer and HIV patients, legalized for doctors to prescribe.

Might not be as cheap or "fun" or effective as the real thing, but it is available.

I'd lobby for further indications for marinol before I lobbied for legalizing marijuana.

Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursefriendly.com/addictions/
OldSquidNewNurse May 4, 2009, 10:42 PM
Medical MJ was passed here in Michigan. Also I don't see the problem using it for rec. use. Looking at the drug profile it is far less dangerous than ETOH for example.
Aaron C. May 5, 2009, 12:01 AM
I think it is time to legalize marijuana.

I disagree that it's a gateway drug. It's only a gateway drug for people who are going to do harder drugs anyway. Of course anyone who has done heroin or cocaine, etc. has smoked marijuana. It's a natural drug in the progression of drug use. But if you take marijuana away as if it never existed, the next drug up the ladder is the gateway drug.

Alcohol should be considered the ultimate gateway drug if there was one.

Alcohol ruins life after life after life, yet it's perfectly legal. Cigarettes are just as bad though the damage is not immediate like it can be with alcohol.

My opinion is that marijuana is bad for you. BUT the federal government should have no business telling me what I can and cannot do with my body in my own home.

I could write for hours about how the criminalization of marijuana has done and continues to do more damage to our society than the drug itself. People's lives are ruined because they smoked an essentially harmless weed.

We could spend the money we'd save from enforcement and policing to focus on REAL drugs that DO harm others, providing greater policing and enforcement against the use of methamphetamines, and drugs like heroin.

Ever see a meth head looking for their next fix after staying up for 5 days straight? They are a danger to everyone around them. Everyone. They are like mindless zombies willing to do anything to get their fix.

Ever see a pot head willing to harm someone to get high? The answer is no. People don't die of marijuana overdoses. They don't get stoned and get into bar fights. They don't lose their inhibitions and do idiotic and harmful things to other people. Their ability to drive is not rendered completely nonexistent. (though I might argue AGAINST the use of marijuana based on people being under the influence and feeling like they can drive when they shouldn't, and also the greater difficulty in testing for drivers under the influence of thc)

Weed makes people fat and lazy, but there's no law against being fat and lazy.

Additionally, you have HEMP, which is illegal because it's very difficult to distinguish between hemp and the drug marijuana. Hemp being illegal is absolutely insane, given it's myriad of uses and the ease of growing such a hardy plant. Legalize marijuana and hemp becomes one of the biggest cash crops in the country overnight. There are so many benefits to hemp I can't even begin to go into it.

Again, I'm not saying by any means that marijuana is good for you, or that it is not going to damage some people's lives. But it should not be illegal. People should have the right to use it freely if they so choose.

I definitely do not buy into the gateway drug theory.

I smoked a lot of pot in college. Well, I wouldn't say a lot but more than I should have for sure. I never really felt like it was harmful by any means. Compared to the mass quantities of alcohol I was ingesting on a nightly basis marijuana was like nothing. Alcohol led me to doing a lot of really, really stupid things. Marijuana never put me out of my mind like that. It did make me laugh a lot, and eat some pretty crazy things, but that was the extent of it. I did have two very bad experiences when I smoked it with someone I wasn't very familiar with and I think maybe it was laced with something much harder. I was pretty scared those couple of times, about what I had put into my body.

I stopped smoking marijuana because I got married and had kids and it was illegal, and then of course being a nurse and having drug tests and those kinds of things. It simply wasn't/isn't worth it to put something illegal into my body that is illegal. If it was legalized, I would probably use it recreationally on an occasional basis but it certainly wouldn't change my lifestyle.

I'm sure it would negatively affect a lot of families but so does alcohol, gambling, pornography/sex, SHOPPING, EATING, TOBACCO, and every other obsession or compulsion existing in our society. Anytime you pass the point of MODERATION there are going to be harmful effects. That can evolve from a sports obsession, a work obsession, heck I know people who spend more time on their yards and care more about their lawn than they do their families. It's human nature and you can't legislate against it.

If you do legislate against it, where does it stop? Should coca cola be illegal? Should we only be able to spend X amount of dollars on clothes/shoes/jewelry or other material things? What about watching too much television? Should we legislate that a TV can be on no more than 6 hours per day per household? What about internet usage? I know people who eat at McDonalds 7 times a week and their other meals are all fast food/dine out meals. Should we do something about those people? Is McDonald's gateway fast food? Once you eat their fries, it's hard not to look for the next wonderfully tasteful treat.
SoldierNurse May 5, 2009, 2:19 AM
nursinghumor wrote:Marijuana and alcohol are gateway drugs, and alcohol is already legal and doing damage.

Very few recreational drug users go straight to heroin, cocaine or any of the other hardcore drugs. Usually they start with a gateway drug.

Marijuana is legal for certain patients, it is called Marinol:
Marinol - the Legal Medical Use for the Marijuana Plant

It is indicated for cancer and HIV patients, legalized for doctors to prescribe.

Might not be as cheap or "fun" or effective as the real thing, but it is available.

I'd lobby for further indications for marinol before I lobbied for legalizing marijuana.

Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.nursefriendly.com/addictions/

Excellent point regards to marinol. That is the way I'm leaning on this matter, too.
Robert F May 5, 2009, 2:50 AM
There exist many plants in this world containing trillions of alkaloids, some of which carry with them properties allowing them to alter human physiology for better or worse.

The active alkaloid in marijuana being THC does in fact have legitimate medical purposes as do the alkaloids of Papaver Somniferum, aka the opium poppy from which we get the analogues for Fentanyl, Morphine, Codeine, etc. Also present within papaver somniferum are alkaloids of a darker nature, such as the active constituent and stereoisomers of heroin, or for instance, the fact that we give potassium to a patient suffering from hypokalemia while in certain states, the department of corrections gives the drug to achieve cardiac arrest. the point being that every drug has a positive as well as a negative.


The problem with today's culture is the stigma placed upon marijuana versus its medical benefits. To a former student of chemistry such as myself, when I see cannabis, I think of those alkaloids and their potential uses, while someone else out there might see the social stigma placed upon marijuana. While I do not personally participate in usage of the drug myself, I have no problem with it being legalized for recreational consumption.

In fact, legalization of marijuana just might take the stigma away over time. If you get the chance, I would advise you to look up how London drug clinics treat addiction, you might be shocked. Before you make up your mind after reading said study, take a look at their crime statistics. I think you will be quite surprised.

Furthermore, I invite you to read up on the three-fold increase in the amount of heroin distributed around the world as a result of the fall of the Taliban due to an increase in opium production(papaver somniferum being about the only crop they can grow in that soil).
TammySue May 12, 2009, 9:33 PM
i work everyday in dual diagnosis -- treating incarcerated people with both a mental health diagnosis and an addiction. there are a lot of similarities between alcohol and marijuana. one is legal and one isn't, and that doesn't make much sense.

however, the pot of today is nothing like the pot of 1965. just some facts from research:

1. there's about 18 times as much active ingredient in today's pot
2. it can take 2 years for it to clear out of your brain after total sobriety
3. your brain cells get up to 400 times thicker when using pot regularly
4. regular use is defined as 3 or more joints a week
5. this is because the half life is about 3 days
6. you will be impaired for about 3-4 days in your reaction times after one joint
7. this means its like you're no longer high, but you're still driving drunk
8. some people will have panic attacks for the rest of their lives after using pot
9. some people will have paranoia triggered by pot and need treatment for it for years afterward

i could make a similar list for alcohol, and i'm not saying we shouldn't legalize pot. i'm just saying that it's not a simple and innocuous drug. it has big effects on the body. i'm undecided about legalizing it.

but i would definitely like to see it removed from the correctional setting and taken into a treatment setting instead.
Jo Dirt May 13, 2009, 2:52 AM
I know a person can legally order the seeds of the plant, but they are not supposed to grow them. I work with a nurse aide who says she used to smoke it regularly before she started working, she is one of the best and most dependable workers we have.

I say let people have it. The jails are overcrowded enough so they can't even lock away the people who should really be locked away.
wildwood flower May 27, 2009, 11:44 PM
I have to agree trhat mj is not a gateway drug; my husband has smoked it for better than 30 years now and I see no bad effects from it, nor does he do anything harder.If it were legal I would smoke it because in my opinion it is a mood drug. I remember the years before I was a nurse when I smoked some occasionally.I know that if we had unexpected company or an important phone call came in, we were both straight as an arrow !:nurse-soapbox:
Teeituptom Jul 6, 2009, 5:38 PM
It is time to end the prohibition of marijuana. For over 5000 years its good as a medicine has been well documented. The only reason when you research it as to why Marijuana was made illegal, started with a big push from the Cotton industry. The fibers from MJ, or Hemp are actually quite usefull in making everything from rope to paper to clothing. Its easier to grow, needs less insecticides and herbicides to grow. Cotton industry as feeling the pressure. Did you know that the Declaration of Independence is actually printed on Marijuana fiber paper.
The benefits of marijuana has shown to be beneficial to sufferers of many illnesses.This has been very well deomonstrated in research. They are too numerous to mention. It is also time to empty our prisons of people who are in there for possession of marijuana. That accounts for over 50 percent of the entire prison population. Look at all the tax money we would save there, use it for health and education maybe. My scrubs that I wear, are bought from an company that uses Hemp as a cloth. They make wonderfull scrubs, they hold their color better, are softer, and last longer than ones made with cotton. Overall as cloth for clothing I find Hemp to be superior to cotton.
The only paranoia and anxiety I see related to Pot are that people are afraid of being "Busted" it is illegal with far harsher than deserved penalties. lets face, You get busted 3 times for possession, you violate the 3 strikes rule. That means life in prison. Does this truly seem fair to anyone. I do not see how this can be.
amberdouglas Jul 6, 2009, 6:11 PM
First, the declaration of independance is NOT written on hemp, this is an unrban legand not a fact, it is written on parchment and is on diplay in the national archives.
Second, there are MANY other drugs that can be used to treat CA patient that are more effective and more pleasant that Marijuana, (like marinol as was suggested earlier).
Third, I HAVE seen people die from being an addict to marijuana...my sister's husband and father of my 3 neices and nephew killed himself and his brother in a vehicle accident on father's day 4 years ago becasue he was high and "had" to have more.
Its dangerous and it DOES kill. Keep it illegial.
nursinghumor Jul 6, 2009, 6:33 PM
Teeituptom wrote:The only reason when you research it as to why Marijuana was made illegal, started with a big push from the Cotton industry. The fibers from MJ, or Hemp are actually quite usefull in making everything from rope to paper to clothing. Its easier to grow, needs less insecticides and herbicides to grow. Cotton industry as feeling the pressure. Did you know that the Declaration of Independence is actually printed on Marijuana fiber paper.

Interesting, had never heard of that before. Wouldn't have been the first time big business decided to quash innovation in order to maintain the status quo (and their own profits).

Think claiming the declaration was written on it is going bit too far though.

Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
nursinghumor Jul 6, 2009, 6:39 PM
Teeituptom wrote:It is also time to empty our prisons of people who are in there for possession of marijuana. That accounts for over 50 percent of the entire prison population. Look at all the tax money we would save there, use it for health and education maybe.

Care to provide the source of those statistics Tee?

I think long probations, house arrest with electronic bracelet monitoring would be a much cheaper alternative. If we've learned anything about prisons, it that they do little to reform inmates.

Legalizing it would open up a new pandora's box. Give it limited use for prescription medical purposes, that is as far as I would go.

Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
amberdouglas Jul 6, 2009, 8:33 PM
Teeituptom wrote:It is also time to empty our prisons of people who are in there for possession of marijuana. That accounts for over 50 percent of the entire prison population.


Half of the prison population are in for non-violent crimes, and 20% are in for DRUG charges, not neccesarily marijuana charges.


Fellner, Jamie. "US Addiction to Incarceration Puts 2.3 Million in Prison". Human Rights Watch. US Addiction to Incarceration Puts 2.3 Million in Prison | Human Rights Watch.
ppanchorage Jul 7, 2009, 12:04 AM
Who cares if someone uses or smokes? Not me. As long as it doesn't interfere with my life - driving under the influence, etc, etc. Statistics can be made to say anything. I truly don't care. I hate to criminalize any drug. Other countries don't and they don't fill their prisons with drug addicts and/or users. What's the difference in paying to house them in a prison and giving them free health care? I prefer the later. At least they have a possibility of a future with health care in lieu of prison. And I have rarely - if ever - seen any trauma (in the OR) from pot but TONS from alcohol. TONS. So---- there ya are. I really don't care if the girl next door smokes pot. Just don't.
OldSquidNewNurse Jul 7, 2009, 10:52 AM
Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper which was common for that era. Hemp was also used to make rope or as we sailors call it "line" during this era as well.
amberdouglas Jul 7, 2009, 1:55 PM
OldSquidNewNurse wrote:Declaration of Independence was written on hemp paper which was common for that era. Hemp was also used to make rope or as we sailors call it "line" during this era as well.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. the declaration of independance is written on parchment, probably made from sheeps skin. A tear in it was repaired at one time using "japanese paper," the only "paper like product" at all used on it. That's not to say that copies of it were not written on hemp paper as it was cheap and widely used at the time, but the original document is not written on hemp. That is just a simple fact.
amberdouglas Jul 7, 2009, 2:03 PM
one other tidbit of information, the copy on display at the national archives, what is considered the original copy (the one with John Han****'s large signature) is called the engrossed copy or the parchment copy.
Teeituptom Jul 7, 2009, 5:49 PM
As stated by someone else earlier, It is uncommon to see trauma induced by marijuana. It is very uncommon to see trauma from assaults due to weed. They just get hungry and eat. You do not see overdoses from marijuana, they just get hungry, eat and sleep.

Yes, alcohol is far far worse. Lets legalize marijuana, and make booze illegal again. Alcohol is involved in so many deaths.

Marijuana is the single leading cash crop in 14 different states. This is not new. That is immense. Make it legal and tax it we can not only fully support education, we can also fully support a United Health Care System. With some left over to help support the illegal wars GW Bush got us into. While at the same time severely decreasing the power of the world wide various drug cartels.
amberdouglas Jul 7, 2009, 8:33 PM
Teeituptom wrote:As stated by someone else earlier, It is uncommon to see trauma induced by marijuana. It is very uncommon to see trauma from assaults due to weed. They just get hungry and eat. You do not see overdoses from marijuana, they just get hungry, eat and sleep.

Yes, alcohol is far far worse. Lets legalize marijuana, and make booze illegal again. Alcohol is involved in so many deaths.

Marijuana is the single leading cash crop in 14 different states. This is not new. That is immense. Make it legal and tax it we can not only fully support education, we can also fully support a United Health Care System. With some left over to help support the illegal wars GW Bush got us into. While at the same time severely decreasing the power of the world wide various drug cartels.


Why do you think that you don't see trauma from people smoking pot? It impares someones perceptions, just like booze does. just like booze, some people get mellow and some people get maniac after ingesting it. There is a reason why it is illegial, and it has nothing to do with any big conspiracy theory, its illegial becasue it's dangerous. So is booze, yes, but that is another argument and not at all relevant to this one. saying that just because alchol kills people too and is legal so therefore pot should be too is a ridiculous statement. Ever heard two wrongs don't make a right?
cougarnurse Jul 7, 2009, 11:08 PM
Just my 2 cents worth: Prohibition didn't stop consumption or production of alcohol; in fact, JFK's dad was a known runner. I have seen too many accidents from ETOH, and none from pot.

I say perhaps the 'farming' of pot should be allowed, but only stuff known to have the lower amounts of what may cause the 'mania'. Hey, corn is tested, and genetically altered, so.....just stuff to think about.
Teeituptom Jul 8, 2009, 7:59 PM
If they legalize it in California, I am moving. Otherwise I am waiting a few more years until I am 65 and retired, then I have a closet in my Man Cave I can convert to a little grow room.
zelem Jul 9, 2009, 6:57 AM
I agree with the legalization, in fact, of all drugs, but I pose the question: How is the government profiting off of weed being illegal?
nursinghumor Jul 9, 2009, 12:56 PM
zelem wrote:I agree with the legalization, in fact, of all drugs, but I pose the question: How is the government profiting off of weed being illegal?

Who said anything about the government making a profit? It is costing the government billions (in our tax dollars coming out of our paychecks).

Andrew Lopez, RN
http://www.4nursing.com
Ricu Jul 10, 2009, 1:02 PM
Regardless of what my personal convictions are on the matter, I have these comments to offer in favor of legalization.

Legalizing pot will require regulating it which should then make a safer form available for those who choose to use it. Whether or not there will be a significant decline in black market product remains to be seen unless it costs more than the legal stuff. In case you're wondering, I don't believe that changing the law will significantly change consumption, either.

Finally, unburdening the courts of the countless possession and trafficking charges related to pot will likely give back time and money to they system. Besides, I think the newspapers need something else to fill with.

R
91B Jul 10, 2009, 9:37 PM
Silly bit of useless info about the banning of hemp and MJ.

It was due to the combined efforts of William Randolph Hurst, who owned huge lots of timber used in the production of lumber and paper, and multiple paper mills. He was aided in the by Harry Anslinger, who was a commissioner in the Dept of Prohibition.

Hurst saw hemp paper as a threat to his wood pulp paper business, since hemp could be regrown yearly and would cost much less than his paper products. So he used his newspapers to print stories written by Anslinger that associated hemp with marijuana, and demonized it to the public.

That is where the drive to ban both hemp and marijuana came from.

I am not sure if it should be made legal or not. While I feel it is for the most part a "victimless crime", I have seen some good friends throw away their lives by smoking it every day. At the same time, I have good friends that have done the same with booze.

Just like everything else in life, everything in moderation.
SoldierNurse Jul 10, 2009, 10:28 PM
Very interesting about the hemp.

Plus, agree that moderation is the key to all things in life.
91B wrote:Silly bit of useless info about the banning of hemp and MJ.

It was due to the combined efforts of William Randolph Hurst, who owned huge lots of timber used in the production of lumber and paper, and multiple paper mills. He was aided in the by Harry Anslinger, who was a commissioner in the Dept of Prohibition.

Hurst saw hemp paper as a threat to his wood pulp paper business, since hemp could be regrown yearly and would cost much less than his paper products. So he used his newspapers to print stories written by Anslinger that associated hemp with marijuana, and demonized it to the public.

That is where the drive to ban both hemp and marijuana came from.

I am not sure if it should be made legal or not. While I feel it is for the most part a "victimless crime", I have seen some good friends throw away their lives by smoking it every day. At the same time, I have good friends that have done the same with booze.

Just like everything else in life, everything in moderation.
Teeituptom Jul 13, 2009, 8:38 PM
nursinghumor wrote:Who said anything about the government making a profit? It is costing the government billions (in our tax dollars coming out of our paychecks).

Andrew Lopez, RN
Nursefriendly.com, A National Nursing & Consumer Health Directory

Cen we not save all those Billions the Government spends on fighting pot alone. Legalize it, Tax it, Control it. How many people do you know who have quit using tobacco because they can no longer afford it.
Tax the pot, use for treatment and education of drug problems instead. Can even use it to fight illegal wars started by the republicans. Let the government make a profit from it.
ppanchorage Jul 13, 2009, 9:33 PM
Why does the government have to PROFIT? Just de-criminalize if it's not legalized!
In the '70's the writers of the state constitution of Alaska made marijuana legal. It's been a seesaw battle ever since.
The government doesn't have to profit from every single thing it's citizens do! If they become involved it will be costly due to testing, legislation, then stores, packaging, inspections, blah, blah. I'm a little tired of govt running every thing personally.
There was a post I read earlier that said her brother in law died in an mva while high on pot. I am very sorry for your loss.
Still, I have not seen marijuana related trauma but again, tons and tons from alcohol and other drugs.
Not everyone should smoke pot. Or drink. Or overeat pizza, sweets or mexican food. It's moderation. I think we all agree on that.
The only debate is decriminalize/legalize or not.
amberdouglas Jul 14, 2009, 8:18 PM
Teeituptom wrote:How many people do you know who have quit using tobacco because they can no longer afford it.

Not that many, they won't even quit when it's killing them, why would they quit hust becasue the price goes up? they just make their kids do with even less than they already have.
Teeituptom Jul 16, 2009, 7:11 PM
Legalize it
Tax it
Salute it
Enjoy it
Light one up and pass it around
cook with it
remember all the health benefits of one of the worlds oldest medicines
Marie_LPN Aug 18, 2009, 12:46 PM
Teeituptom wrote:Legalize it
Tax it
Salute it
Enjoy it
Light one up and pass it around
cook with it
remember all the health benefits of one of the worlds oldest medicines


No thanks, i like my breath not smelling like horse crap, and thinking clearly :)
Teeituptom Aug 18, 2009, 6:21 PM
Marie_LPN wrote:No thanks, i like my breath not smelling like horse crap, and thinking clearly :)
I turn 65 and retire in a few more years. Start a little farm in my closet then. If people accuse me of being stoned, I can always say I have dementia. If people accuse me of dementia, I can simply say I am stoned. In the mean time I will just be happily high.
Just imagine a life of marijuana, Golf, and Viagra. What could be better.
Robert F Aug 18, 2009, 9:58 PM
Teeituptom wrote:I turn 65 and retire in a few more years. Start a little farm in my closet then. If people accuse me of being stoned, I can always say I have dementia. If people accuse me of dementia, I can simply say I am stoned. In the mean time I will just be happily high.
Just imagine a life of marijuana, Golf, and Viagra. What could be better.

You are the coolest kicks in the cave.
Teeituptom Aug 19, 2009, 8:03 PM
I just have fun.
I just finished rebuilding my Man Cave and its sweet. The rest of the House is the wifes, the man cave is mine.
Ricu Aug 19, 2009, 8:23 PM
I agree, Rob.

Hey Tom, Is this cave something that Tim the Toolman would be proud of?

R
Robert F Aug 19, 2009, 11:25 PM
Teeituptom wrote:I just have fun.
I just finished rebuilding my Man Cave and its sweet. The rest of the House is the wifes, the man cave is mine.

Sounds awesome. I am wanting to put in a wine cellar (just grabbed several bottles of blackstone merlot this morning).
Marie_LPN Aug 21, 2009, 2:40 PM
Teeituptom wrote:I turn 65 and retire in a few more years. Start a little farm in my closet then. If people accuse me of being stoned, I can always say I have dementia. If people accuse me of dementia, I can simply say I am stoned. In the mean time I will just be happily high.
Just imagine a life of marijuana, Golf, and Viagra. What could be better.


I've always hated golf as well.
Teeituptom Aug 25, 2009, 12:46 AM
Ricu wrote:I agree, Rob.

Hey Tom, Is this cave something that Tim the Toolman would be proud of?

R


Yes Tim would

and so would the Goose
BGS3 Oct 4, 2009, 9:58 PM
Please read, cut and paste if needed.

Feature: American Nightmare -- Will Foster and Justice, Oklahoma Style | Stop the Drug War (DRCNet)

Is this really necessary? Do we as a human race want to condemn people for using a plant? Cannabis is a completely natural form of medicine that no pharmaceutical company can control, thereby greed and money cannot be attached to it. The amount of money spent here is appalling. We need to educate ourselves with facts and information, not fear, lies, and lack of knowledge so that we can better understand and treat people. This is only one of the many people that have to go through this.
Think of all the money that is being spent on hurting these people for no other reason than prejudice, ignorance, and fear. Add the cost of incarceration all together and it would probably be enough to provide healthcare or other things more important for thousands, if not millions, of people. Here is more information from a website called MAPS dedicated to extinguishing the fear, lies, and lack of knowledge. These plants and drugs have a major therapeutic use that has just now begun to be explored because they have been demonized for so long.

MAPS’ First MDMA/PTSD Therapist Training Seminar

From June 25 to July 1, therapists and researchers from seven countries (US, Canada, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, Israel, Jordan) convened in Austria for a one-week MDMA/PTSD therapist training seminar. This seminar was MAPS’ first attempt to provide some formal educational sessions to therapists working, or considering working, on MAPS-sponsored MDMA/PTSD clinical trials. MAPS has identified the training of co-therapist teams as the fundamental challenge in conducting our current Phase 2 studies and possible future Phase 3 studies, for which we would need to train about 20-30 new co-therapist teams.

The seminar began with introductions, then moved into the presentation of results from our US, Swiss and Israeli studies, followed by a description of the core elements of our treatment manual, the watching of videotapes of therapeutic sessions from our US, Swiss and Israeli studies, and group discussions of a range of topics. The third day of the conference was devoted entirely to holotropic breathwork sessions, to enable people to experience the therapeutic potential of a non-ordinary state of consciousness. The schedule of the seminar is available on the MAPS website.

In attendance were, Dr. Michael Mithoefer and Annie Mithoefer, BSN, from our US Study; Dr. Ingrid Pacey and Andrew Feldmar, PhD, from our Canadian study; Dr. Sergio Marchevsky and Dr. Tali Nachoni from our Israeli study; Dr. Peter Oehen and Verena Widmer, RN, from our Swiss study; Jose Carlos Bueso, PhD, and Gema Guarch from Spain; Dr. Fady Hannah-Shmouni from Jordan; June May Ruse PsyD, principal author of our MDMA/PTSD treatment manual; psychologist Marcela Otalora Gomez from Boulder, Colorado, who worked as a co-therapist on our initial Spain MDMA/PTSD study; Dr. Torsten Passie, MDMA research expert from Germany; and the MAPS staff, including President Rick Doblin, PhD, Director of Operations Valerie Mojeiko, Research and Information Specialist Ilsa Jerome, PhD, Director of Communications and Marketing Randolph Hencken, MA, and Accountant, IT and Chef Josh Sonstroem. A photo of these new pioneers in psychedelic psychotherapy is on our website.

Two days were dedicated to reviewing videotapes of MDMA sessions from the US, Swiss, and Israeli studies. Every few minutes the tapes were stopped for fruitful discussions about how the therapists handled the situation in the video. There was an incredible range of comments about how the therapists and patients interacted, and numerous suggestions were made about alternative means of counseling a patient in similar circumstances. This provided for lively dialogue about the wide range of responses that a therapist could offer at any given moment. These discussions were very exciting to hear -- but also presented us with a new challenge as we confronted the need to retool our treatment manual in order to create a consistent methodology.
The treatment manual is designed to give guidance to people who may or may not have ever provided MDMA-assisted psychotherapy. Since there is so much individual variation in therapist style, and it’s difficult to understand the implications of therapist style to clinical outcomes, it’s a daunting task to try to narrow down the most effective key elements of the therapeutic method. However, we still believe that our therapist manual offers great guidance. We also know more than ever that there is a lot of revising to do. We wish to refine the method and operationalize a checklist that independent raters viewing videotapes of therapeutic sessions could use to quantify therapist adherence to the method.

In addition to viewing the videotapes, we had good discussions about different approaches to treating PTSD, the current state of and future revisions to the treatment manual, and the challenges of working in different cultural contexts. One entire session was devoted to the cultural challenges we will face when we begin our study in Jordan. For instance, we learned from Fady Hannah-Shmouni that some of the techniques used by our European and North American therapists, such as having male/female co-therapist teams, and touching and making physical contact with patients during therapy, may be inappropriate with some patients in Jordan.

One of the important outcomes of the training program was a decision to add a measure of functionality to all of our future protocols. Our primary outcome measure is the Clinician Administered PTSD Scale (CAPS), which measures symptoms of PTSD. We now realize the value of including a measure of functionality that would quantify changes, such as what we saw in the US pilot study -- three patients who had been unable to work for years returned to work after their treatment.

At the retreat, Michael Mithoefer, Torsten Passie, and Rick Doblin had productive discussions about the protocol design for our upcoming study in US veterans with PTSD from the Iraq, Afghanistan and other wars. Ilsa Jerome and Rick are including new ideas from those discussions into the development of that study protocol, which we are planning to submit to FDA within the next two months.

On Sunday, June 28, Michael and Annie Mithoefer and Ingrid Pacey led Holotropic Breathwork sessions for the group (Michael, Annie, Ingrid, and Rick have all completed Holotropic Breathwork training with Dr. Stanislav Grof). This was a great addition to the seminar. Some of our researchers had not had any personal experiences with non-ordinary states of consciousness. Doing the breathwork permitted people to feel what it is like to explore emotions in a non-ordinary state of consciousness.

Canadian videographer Oliver Hockenhull came to the retreat during the last days to do interviews for his upcoming feature-length film, A Perfect Pill: From Neurons to Nirvana, and to create short web interviews for the MAPS website. We will be posting these interviews on the MAPS website over the next few months.



2. Training Protocol Seeks to Administer MDMA to Therapists

On June 22, 2009, we submitted a protocol to FDA seeking permission to administer a single MDMA-assisted psychotherapy session to therapists as part of their training to conduct MAPS' MDMA/PTSD studies. We learned that we could provide much in the way of educational experiences during our therapist training seminar. Nevertheless, we also believe it will benefit therapists administering MDMA to patients to have a personal subjective understanding of MDMA’s effects when administered to them within a therapeutic setting. The only way such an MDMA experience can be legally provided to therapists is through an FDA protocol designed for that purpose. The protocol requires possible participants in the MDMA training sessions to have first successfully completed a MAPS-conducted therapist training program.

There is a precedent from the 1970s for our therapist training protocol. Dr. Albert Kurland's LSD research team at Spring Grove Hospital had FDA permission to administer LSD to help train nurses, attendants and others working with patients in clinical studies, and to mental health professionals (doctors, therapists, counselors, priests, rabbis) to help them better understand patients or congregants who had experienced LSD or other psychedelics. Over 100 people received LSD in those training sessions. We submitted letters to FDA from one of the researchers conducting that training program, Johns Hopkins researcher William Richards, PhD, and from a participant who reported long-term benefits to his therapeutic skills.

This protocol, if approved, will significantly enhance our ability to train therapists to work more effectively on our MDMA/PTSD studies. We should hear from FDA within 30 days of submission.

3. Preliminary Data from US MDMA/PTSD Pilot Study Submitted to FDA

On June 22, 2009, we also submitted to FDA safety and efficacy data from our US MDMA/PTSD pilot study. The safety data was submitted along with our therapist training protocol to enable the FDA to more fully evaluate the risks to therapists potentially volunteering for our training protocol. The efficacy data was submitted to help the FDA understand why we believe the results from our pilot study justify expanding our research into more Phase 2 and eventually Phase 3 studies, for which we will need to train 20-30 more co-therapist teams.

4. MDMA/PTSD Manuscript Submitted to Journal on July 8

On July 8, 2009, after months of extensive data analysis, numerous drafts, and our own informal peer-review process by “friendly” but tough readers, we submitted a manuscript about our US MDMA/ PTSD study to a scientific, peer-reviewed journal. The authors of the manuscript are Dr. Michael Mithoefer, Mark Wagner, PhD, Annie Mithoefer, BSN, Ilsa Jerome, PhD, and Rick Doblin, PhD.

Publishing our data in a peer-reviewed journal is a crucial step in communicating to the scientific and psychotherapeutic communities the exceptional potential of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in subjects with treatment-resistant PTSD. While we hope the paper will be accepted by the first journal we submitted it to, we’re prepared to keep working on the paper until it is accepted for publication and indexed on Medline. Traditional pharmaceutical companies often forgo submitting their data for publication and only submit their data to FDA in order to keep their research secret from their competitors. MAPS differs in that our approach is to be transparent, freely sharing our data with other research groups and the public. For us, the full value of the study itself will not have been obtained until the data is published in a peer-reviewed journal. The data will be available to MAPS members once it is published.

5. Vancouver Observer Article: Healing Severe Trauma with MDMA

The Vancouver Observer, an online publication, published a feature story (permalink) about our planned MDMA/PTSD study. Journalist Brandi Cowen interviewed Principal Investigators Dr. Ingrid Pacey and Andrew Feldmar, PhD, as well as MAPS President Rick Doblin, PhD for the story. The Canadian research project will start as soon as the government grants the research team a license to import MDMA.

Here are some more links that I very much impress upon you as an individual to learn about. I do not know how many of you will do the research for yourselves, but it would benefit you in more ways than you can ever imagine. Remember that knowledge is power, and infinite. The more we know about the plants and drugs we deal with, the better equipped we are to bring other people to a greater understanding. We can stop all the hype and ignorance from the inside out. Please do the research for yourself. It would help to go to websites that are not linked with the DEA or other police affiliations as I have found several of them to be filled with nothing more than scare tactics and lies. We need to be armed with the truth so it can wipe out the fear behind these plants.
Cut and paste these to your search engine, please try to read them all, there is so much to be gained by adding knowledge to your brain instead of fear and lies.

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Cannabis may prevent osteoporosis
http://www.omaha.com/article/20090809/NEWS01/708099910
There's a monopoly on marijuana growing and research in America - Times-Standard Online
Getting high on religion
Don't Smoke It | Fort Worth Weekly - News, Events, Restaurants, Music
http://psychedelicresearch.org/?p=10
Erowid
SoldierNurse Apr 23, 2010, 11:21 AM
Well, since I'm subject to random UAs, which if positive is punishable under the UCMJ, I'll remain neutral to this medicinal thread.

However, same as alcohol, I don't condone taking a drag off a joint while at work... even if 50 feet from the bldg.
cougarnurse Apr 26, 2010, 11:51 AM
Random UA's are just that....random. If you used the night before, and you get pulled---no job. As long as it is NOT legal, there is that problem.
hppygr8ful Apr 27, 2010, 1:17 AM
cougarnurse wrote:Random UA's are just that....random. If you used the night before, and you get pulled---no job. As long as it is NOT legal, there is that problem.

The problem with random UA's and Marijuana is that it shows up to 30 days out. So even if you are a truely recreational user who only uses once in great while you are bound to test positive sooner or later. I never got into Pot because I never learned how to smoke it right. I had a Dr. recently suggest it to me for my migraines but had to say no due to my history with the BON and addiction issues.

Still if it were legal I would probably grow medicinal grade in my green house - I have about a dozen species of orchids and also grow micro greens and micro-veggies out there - Still working on getting the restaurants to buy from me - something tell's me I'd have no problem marketing pot!!!!!!


Peace and Namaste

Hppy
Teeituptom May 3, 2010, 6:28 PM
Legalize marijuana, help end the war just south of out Border. In the city of Juarez so far this year, There have been over 800 drug war murders. This is more than all the Americans killed in that illegal war in the last year or two.
End Illegal wars
End the drug wars
Legalize Marijuana, take away the power and finances from the Drug Cartels
ERRN2010 May 3, 2010, 8:26 PM
I think that marijuana should be legalized. I seriously doubt there will be widespread legalization, but I wish there were. I have seen the benefits of it in many patients and friends. While I do not smoke it myself I know many people who have used it with amazing results. As far as it being a gateway drug, that is just an old line repeated ad nauseum. That is the same line people have been using for decades. Cigarettes and alcohol have been more of a gateway drug than marijuana. Where I live prescription drugs, meth and alcohol and crack are the gateway drugs. People use marijuana to bring themselves down more gently or to get off the other drugs.
How many people do you know that have repeatedly overdosed on marijuana or died from a marijuana overdose? How many people are assaulted, robbed or killed because of your "run of the mill" marijuana smoker? Now, how many are killed or assaulted or robbed because of someone who is drunk, high on meth, crack, etc...? Numbers are a bit skewed in the latter direction aren't they?
I'll get off my soap box now :)
BGS3 May 3, 2010, 11:58 PM
91B wrote:Silly bit of useless info about the banning of hemp and MJ.

It was due to the combined efforts of William Randolph Hurst, who owned huge lots of timber used in the production of lumber and paper, and multiple paper mills. He was aided in the by Harry Anslinger, who was a commissioner in the Dept of Prohibition.

Hurst saw hemp paper as a threat to his wood pulp paper business, since hemp could be regrown yearly and would cost much less than his paper products. So he used his newspapers to print stories written by Anslinger that associated hemp with marijuana, and demonized it to the public.

That is where the drive to ban both hemp and marijuana came from.



Just like everything else in life, everything in moderation.

This is truth. To the person that said it is a gateway drug, that is a completely uninformed statement. Maybe some people have began with it and moved to other drugs but that is not what the majority of people do that smoke. The dealer that sells cannibis usually has other drugs and interests the person into trying it. Also the people that are going to try harder drugs are going to do it REGARDLESS of illegality. The majority of people who have been using cannabis in moderation for 20+ years and no problems know the truth. There are knuckle headed people that are going to abuse anything. It is not the plant, it is the people that abuse the plant that give it a bad name.

Look at the NORML website and do plenty of reading on the subject. Find the truth, stop believing propaganda and lies. I think all drugs should be legal for personal use like in Mexico now. I really wish people would stop being such sheeple and find the truth out for themselves and stop believing what they hear from some so called "authority" on the matter.

I believe that making it legal would take the fun out of it for a lot of people. As many that would try it because of legal status, that many would quit. It will only help society to legalize it for ALL uses, medical or not.

Here are 2 very informative websites for all to gain knowledge from. Use them and LEARN! Stop ignorance and fear tactics.

Marijuana Law Reform - NORML
Erowid
Teeituptom May 10, 2010, 7:53 PM
When I retire, I want to grow some in my back yard. Then I can work part time as a Walmart Greeter and enjoy it. Or be a Golf Course Marshal on my favorite links.And be the friendliest one ever
hppygr8ful May 11, 2010, 1:47 AM
Teeituptom wrote:When I retire, I want to grow some in my back yard. Then I can work part time as a Walmart Greeter and enjoy it. Or be a Golf Course Marshal on my favorite links.And be the friendliest one ever

Sorry to say it but Walmart is a drug free workplace you have to be able to pass a piss test to get the job. However if you've ever been in an 24 hour Walmart at 2 am the meth use appears to be out of control.

Peace and Namaste

HPPY
Teeituptom May 17, 2010, 6:17 PM
cougarnurse wrote:Just to be curious, I wonder how many are going to try using this thread as a jump point to legalize the stuff?

Well it is certainly something for ue to toke it over about.:nurse-rofl:
Jen0378 May 20, 2010, 7:50 PM
I think the restriction on marijuana use, is well, revolting. Can you really tell me that alcohol is less a severe entity than marijuana? I think this is a something we really need to reform, and make better. There is so much information out there on the positive reactions marijuana can provide for people, in other ways than just medical. I mean, it's all around problem solver for many things. Why are we working against it still?!
nurserrebecca May 24, 2010, 9:11 AM
There is so much information out there on the positive reactions marijuana can provide for people, in other ways than just medical. I mean, it's all around problem solver for many things. Why are we working against it still?!


True there are more and more states and cities in the U.S. that are drafting and passing bills that would legalize ganja. However, amidst debate, pot shops are selling marijuana like candies; and they are sprouting like mushrooms. Within the 13 states where there is an existing marijuana law, its legal status is still behind the smoke. In fact, some so called patients end up in jails.

Why are we working against it still?!
Marijuana is listed as Schedule I in federal drug laws, which means it has no legitimate medical use. No medical authority recognizes it as effective treatment for any condition. It may bring some easing effects on patients with long list of diseases, medical conditions or symptoms, but scientific evidence is lacking.

In fact according to Richard Carmona, MD, U.S. Surgeon General, "I approach [the medical marijuana issue] not as a legal issue, but as a health issue and I cannot recommend to anyone that they smoke. First of all, smoking is so bad for you. I can't say it would be safe to eat [marijuana], because no one has studied the long or short-term gastrointestinal effects."

Read more: Why Physicians Oppose Medical Marijuana


Truly,
nurserrebecca
cougarnurse May 24, 2010, 12:55 PM
I know, I know...I said I would stand by and let this thread be.

Marilnol, while not 'pot' per se, is still considered pot. I have legally given it (and signed it out). It is a CII drug.

Not sure, but I may have posted a few posts on the subject somewhere. Don't ask me to find them. I am too tired right now.

Return to discussion. Thanks for keeping the posts on an even keel. :notworthy:
BGS3 May 24, 2010, 4:31 PM
nurserrebecca wrote:
There is so much information out there on the positive reactions marijuana can provide for people, in other ways than just medical. I mean, it's all around problem solver for many things. Why are we working against it still?!


True there are more and more states and cities in the U.S. that are drafting and passing bills that would legalize ganja. However, amidst debate, pot shops are selling marijuana like candies; and they are sprouting like mushrooms. Within the 13 states where there is an existing marijuana law, its legal status is still behind the smoke. In fact, some so called patients end up in jails.

Why are we working against it still?!
Marijuana is listed as Schedule I in federal drug laws, which means it has no legitimate medical use. No medical authority recognizes it as effective treatment for any condition. It may bring some easing effects on patients with long list of diseases, medical conditions or symptoms, but scientific evidence is lacking.

In fact according to Richard Carmona, MD, U.S. Surgeon General, "I approach [the medical marijuana issue] not as a legal issue, but as a health issue and I cannot recommend to anyone that they smoke. First of all, smoking is so bad for you. I can't say it would be safe to eat [marijuana], because no one has studied the long or short-term gastrointestinal effects."

Read more: Why Physicians Oppose Medical Marijuana


Truly,
nurserrebecca

:nurse-rofl::nurse-haha::bs:

"But it is also important to always go by what FDA says as safe drugs.

At this point though, what we can see is that pot vendors and users took advantage of legalization possibilities. Sadly, its effects are taking toll in communities, especially the young groups.":bs:

Yes we should blindly follow what the FDA says.:nurse-haha: And then they throw the "young groups" thing out there to scare parents. :bs:

The reason why it is still illegal is because it is a cash cow for everyone involved. This plant has been used for thousands of centuries. There is no scientific evidence accepted here because studies are prohibited from being done. The US will not allow it because the truth would then be evident, unless the powers that be skewed the facts, which they have.

There is tons of evidence of the benefits of this plant. The hype, propaganda, and lies are spread to keep the truth from being evident. There is too much money involved for it to be legalized. With the net becoming available to almost every part of this planet, why would someone only read one point of view on this matter? PLEASE read and DO THE RESEARCH for yourself and ALWAYS question everything.

Do not be part of the problem. When this plant is finally legalized, and I know it will be, the next generation will look at this in the history books and laugh at the absolute ludicrous stupidity that this article and others like it say. The government/fed/police,etc... websites are going to spread lies, lies, lies! It is a major money scheme for them. They will never admit they are wrong. PLEASE READ some honest information about this and other drugs. Here are a couple websites with priceless information. TRUTH, KNOWLEDGE, AWARENESS, and UNDERSTANDING is what we need here.

Erowid

MAPS: Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies

Marijuana Law Reform - NORML
BGS3 May 24, 2010, 5:01 PM
This month, a Pew Charitable Trust poll found that 73% of all Americans are in favor of legal access to marijuana as medicine. Used as medicine for over 4,500 years, the DEA’s own Chief Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young ruled: “Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man…” Without even holding a hearing, and over the objections of the American Medical Association, all uses of cannabis were outlawed by Congress in 1937. Since California’s passage of Prop 215 in 1996, 14 states have now taken back their medical marijuana rights from the Feds. Much safer than aspirin (gastric bleeding, death) or Tylenol (liver damage, death), marijuana is safer than virtually every other over-the-counter and prescription medicine for sale in America. Cannabis is also far safer, as a recreational drug, than either the very speedily deadly alcohol or the slowly lethal tobacco. Marijuana is not only safer for the individual, but it is safer for the society, too. A Seattle Police Sgt. patrolling Seattle Hempfest’s cannabis-imbibing 100,000 person crowd told me, “…compared to the crowds coming out of Safeco or Quest field after a game, patrolling Hempfest is like patrolling a Girl Scout picnic.”

Marijuana Law Reform - NORML
sassysissy May 25, 2010, 11:06 AM
Legalized marijuana or not I can't use it. Alcohol is legal, I can't use it. I abuse it. I would abuse marijuana and millions of others would abuse it as well. As far as medicinal purposes TCH already exist in some form of meicaiton. However, there is a show coming on tonite dipicting mariuana as America's number one saling crop. I have some land can I be the farm of choice to grow the plant?
Teeituptom May 26, 2010, 4:51 PM
nurserrebecca wrote:
There is so much information out there on the positive reactions marijuana can provide for people, in other ways than just medical. I mean, it's all around problem solver for many things. Why are we working against it still?!


True there are more and more states and cities in the U.S. that are drafting and passing bills that would legalize ganja. However, amidst debate, pot shops are selling marijuana like candies; and they are sprouting like mushrooms. Within the 13 states where there is an existing marijuana law, its legal status is still behind the smoke. In fact, some so called patients end up in jails.
Why are we working against it still?!
Marijuana is listed as Schedule I in federal drug laws, which means it has no legitimate medical use. No medical authority recognizes it as effective treatment for any condition. It may bring some easing effects on patients with long list of diseases, medical conditions or symptoms, but scientific evidence is lacking.

In fact according to Richard Carmona, MD, U.S. Surgeon General, "I approach [the medical marijuana issue] not as a legal issue, but as a health issue and I cannot recommend to anyone that they smoke. First of all, smoking is so bad for you. I can't say it would be safe to eat [marijuana], because no one has studied the long or short-term gastrointestinal effects."

Read more: Why Physicians Oppose Medical Marijuana


Truly,
nurserrebecca

Of course the Gov't is always right.

Patients should never end up in jail

There is no reason for it to be classified as schedule 1, that is just politics. It has had medical documented use for 5000 years. Was not illegal until Hearst got involved.

The Surgeon General historically has not had the welfare of this country at stake. They have just been a lackey of the political regime. The Surgeon General at one time promoted tobacco and the tobacco industry.
BGS3 May 31, 2010, 2:45 PM
nurserrebecca wrote:
PLEASE READ THE TRUTH.

Are you sure this is the truth? or many of us just treat this as truth because this is so conventional to many people?

Truly,
nurserrebecca
Nurse and Hospital Stories

I am not sure what you mean. What does it mean when you say "conventional for so many people?" You have been pummeled with scare tactics, DARE(what a joke,full of lies and ignorance,and scare tactics),outdated information,and just plain refusal to look at the real facts. If one chooses to believe that this plant is as evil without looking at any other details, that is all they will see. I do not promote the stereotypical "it's all good,maaaan" hippy long haired stoner type personna that holds the truth back.

These types are a detriment to people who enjoy cannabis and it keeps people from even bothering to look at any good truthful information. Please read the NORML website and find out the way it became illegal in the first place. Look up Mr. Anslinger, W.R.Hurst, and Dupont.

Yellow dog journalism, greed, and extreme prejudice are the ONLY reasons why this plant has been villified and demonized. I grew up listening to the same bull**** that everyone else has. I chose to seek out the truth because it has never done anything negative to me except make me lazy at times.

If you want to believe that the potency has increased way beyond what it was in the 60's-70's, that is another scare tactic based on a study of some samples that were 30 years old and very low grade. The potency has increased but only by a margin of 3-7%. It is just as strong as it has been since it was discovered as a medicine thousands of years ago.This is another lie/scare tactic/propaganda by the people recieving money to keep it illegal.

In answer to your question, YES I am sure.100%! Please look beyond Wikipedia and other such nonsense. Search the websites I have given above in my other post.I implore all who read this to do the same. I am not trying to get anyone to smoke it, only to know the truth.

NO it is not for everyone, but it is not a demon weed like the DEA/feds,etc... want us to believe. That is a major cash flow for the peole involved, they will NEVER admit they were wrong. It is up to the younger generation who are more informed and open minded to make this world a better place. The old folks in charge are stubborn and prideful.
dodaive Aug 30, 2010, 2:15 AM

this is going to be a fight!

I know what I am about to say is dangerous, but it truly is what I believe. I don't have a problem with marijuana being legal to adults, what I am opposed to is people not having to face the consequences of their behavior. Case in point, how many patients have been treated for skin infections r/t shooting
up heroin. There is a reason heroin is illegal. If these patients have the money to pay for their hospital treatment, great. Otherwise, why is it that taxpayers have to pay for something, that according to the law never should have taken place to begin with. With marijuana, it is said that it can be found in a person even up to 5 years later by testing a strand of hair. There must be some consequences to a person, who decides to ignore, common sense, scientific research and well-intentioned laws. At what point should this person be accepted to hospital for medical care at the taxpayer's expense. I would be interested to hear logical arguments for why my belief is in conflict with the real limitations of what our healthcare system and economy can provide.
norman Sep 13, 2010, 9:35 AM
Medical MJ was passed here in Michigan. Also I don't see the problem using it for rec. use. Looking at the drug profile it is far less dangerous than ETOH for example.
Teeituptom Jan 1, 2011, 2:39 PM
Countries are looking at the model for marijuana in Portugal. Not that it is legal but that it is far cheaper to treat and educate addiction programs that it is to police it. Medical Marijuana is going to be on the spring ballot here in Texas of all places. Can you imagine that. But then it did pass in Arizona
cougarnurse Jan 5, 2011, 1:17 PM
Guess this says something: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_people_montel_williams;_ylt=AnIkfkKjrAwdsmPpguMAY7Ss0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTN1Nm05MHQwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwMTA1L3VzX3Blb3BsZV9tb250ZWxfd2lsbGlhbXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxMARwb3MDNwRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA21vbnRlbHdpbGxpYQ----

Wisconsin authorities say former talk show host and medical marijuana activist Montel Williams has been cited for possession of drug paraphernalia at General Mitchell International Airport in Milwaukee.

The Milwaukee County sheriff's office says the Transportation Security Administration found Williams had a pipe commonly used for marijuana as he passed through a security checkpoint Tuesday.

The sheriff's office says Williams paid the $484 citation and was released to continue his travel.

Williams has said he uses marijuana to relieve chronic pain caused by multiple sclerosis that was diagnosed in 1999. The 54-year-old has said he became an activist pushing for medical marijuana laws after being stopped at a Detroit airport years ago for carrying drug paraphernalia.

Messages left Tuesday for his attorney, Nina Shaw, were not immediately returned.

Not all states are as understanding.And how WOULD you deal with it when you cross state lines? Each state has different laws......
Teeituptom Jan 8, 2011, 2:38 PM
Actually it will not be all that long for MJ to become legalized. Corporations are already formed and more getting set for the legalization to occur. Once you get Corporate America to support. Even the Republicans will line up to endorse it. After all it was corporate America back when that got together and made it illegal. Now they see the money to made from legalization and also the savings in decriminalization and taking the power away from the drug warlords and the money to combat them.
Rob72 Jan 13, 2011, 5:31 PM
I feel abot MJ the way I feel about alcohol: Legalize it? Fine. But you need a Buyers' Card. When you get that card, you get no public assistence, and particularly no trauma care. Caught driving while influenced? Fine, your vehicle is impounded on the spot, and sold at $10 auction to someone who is hopefully more interested in getting to work than getting high.

Otherwise, we're just adding to the burden on the healthcare and social service systems. Taxes on alcohol don't offset trauma costs, MJ tax wouldn't either.

To be blunt- some people are born without the capacity to live without being told what to do(Public Health is a constant reminder of this). Unfortunately, we've decided it is most socially appropriate to subsidise them and put them on the roads with our families. 150 years ago, they'd fall off their horse and be dragged. They'd live if the fall wasn't on something sharp or hard, and if the dragging wasn't too far. Now we have Fire working in the midst of traffic, cutting them out, EMS taking them to the Trauma center, all to discharge them so they can play again.
cougarnurse Jan 24, 2011, 2:18 PM
OK, another version of 'drinking and driving' here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110124/ap_on_fe_st/us_pot_meets_pop

A California entrepreneur has plans to market a line medical marijuana soft drinks.

Clay Butler says he plans to supply medical marijuana with his soda pot, which contains the psychoactive marijuana ingredient THC.

Marijuana drinks are already showing up here and there, but Butler says he thinks his branding savvy will make his product a hit.

Besides his flagship cola drink, Canna Cola, he will also produce Dr. Pepper-like Doc Weed, lemon-lime Sour Diesel, grape-flavored Grape Ape and orange-flavored Orange Kush.

A 12-ounce bottle will cost $10 to $15.

The Soquel-based commercial artist tells the Santa Cruz Sentinel that he doesn't do drugs or need medical marijuana for any ailments.

Tom, you say it's job security for us. What if the nurse is hopped up like the patient?
Teeituptom Jan 27, 2011, 2:00 PM
It is job security for us, and secondly as it is now and that will not change is that any nurse intoxicated and or impaired will not be allowed to work anyway. You can't even have a single beer on your lunch break anyway. Pot drinks or pot smoking would fall under the same guidelines.
Besides pot does not get you hopped up. you get a high or buzzed but its all mellow. Now what about those who get Docotors to prescribe amphetamines for these nurses to work on. I have seen more than a few who allegedly have ADD or other problems and they are hopped up or wired from that or some of the psychotropics pushed by doctors. That are far worse than pot and far more dangerous.
So yes no matter what I see job security
Rob72 Feb 7, 2011, 4:48 PM
Teeituptom wrote:That are far worse than pot and far more dangerous.
I always find these arguments interesting. Having anal intercourse with an individual who is HIV+ is safer with a condom. Sucks to be in the 0.1% the rubber doesn't protect, tho'... Not participating in high-risk behavior at all drops the risk of death/disability by several orders of magnitude, and this is true of all high-risk behavior.

Don't want to get shot? Don't hang with bangers. Learn gun safety.

Follow the Rule of Stoopids:
1) Avoid Stoopid People
2) Don't do Stoopid Things
3) Avoid Stoopid places (places where # 1 & 2 intersect/congregate)

The cost/benefit argument of marijuana is the same. Minimal demographic for whom there is real benefit, significantly higher number of "recreationals." We "don't believe" in outlawing or seriously restricting alcohol, and socially we have decided it is acceptable to sacrifice something like 20, 30K people each year to the enjoyment of alcohol, an unknown number of those are not the drinker in the "accident". If we're making the same concession to other habits, let's at least be honest about the fact.

It is a job. Security is bagging the Dumb. A demonstrable fact of Corrections: dead offenders do not re-offend.
Teeituptom Feb 10, 2011, 2:10 PM
It truly will not be much longer. MJ will be legalized. The business world has seen how profitable it is. And also realizes how much it costs to fight it. I wonder how much it will cost to set up a a dispensary clinic.