New title for male nurses?

59 posts · started Feb 6, 2006

Brewerpaul Feb 6, 2006, 12:38 PM
Has there ever been any talk of changing to title of male nurses to something else?
The word "nurse" is has so much gender baggage. It instantly conjures up images of Florence Nightengale and ladies in square heeled shoes and little white caps. And of course, it's women who NURSE babies.
I'm thinking that a gender neutral term might help alleviate the gender bias associated with men in this profession. Alas, I can't think of a good one :(
cassioo Feb 7, 2006, 4:09 AM
I didn't know there was a title of male nurse I just thought the title was nurse no matter what the gender was. Do you think changing the name of nurses to something different would change how the public perceives the position? I think be a nurse and do the job and you'll get the recognition or lack of based on what you (or any nurse does)
Brewerpaul Feb 7, 2006, 6:16 PM
cassioo wrote:I didn't know there was a title of male nurse I just thought the title was nurse no matter what the gender was. Do you think changing the name of nurses to something different would change how the public perceives the position? I think be a nurse and do the job and you'll get the recognition or lack of based on what you (or any nurse does)


No, there's no official title, but so often I hear men in the profession say "I'm a male nurse". Yes, I definitely agree that if you do the job right you'll get the necessary recognition, but I still wonder if the word "nurse" has too many female connotations. Hey-- I'm not gonna quit nursing school over it in any event! :D
AnkhRNMSNphoenix Feb 17, 2006, 5:21 AM
kimmiejs wrote:Don't go to Australia because they still call nurses "Sister" over there.
Sister!?! Do they call Doctors "Brothers?" or "Father?"
Are you kidding me? :mad: Australia?! Thats exactly where we need to go as men in nursing. Nursing is not for the timid; be they man or woman. I'm the furthest thing from the image of a nun! People need to be taught that men can be nurses without any connection to any inference to their sexual orientation or religious connection.However, nursing can be seen as a spiritual career path. Most of the time people receive a spiritual call to the profession, because they want to alleviate suffering or they like the human connection of Nursing. Florence was not a nun, she was a scientist and researcher. Are Australias' Nurses letting people call them Sister :confused: ? We need to educate people about the history and perspectives of men in nursing! If not, we will always be seen by the public as handmaidens to the medical community,when we are so much more.
andrewandy Feb 21, 2006, 6:41 AM
How about "health care professional"? This include males and females. Nice and gender neutral. Plus "Registered Health Care Professional" or RHCP has more letters and who doesn't want more letters after their name?

Now you might say aren't doctors health care professionals? Yes but when asked, "What do you do for a living" what doctor would say, "I'm a health care professional." I think more likely they would say "I'm a surgeon" or "I'm a proctologist". Ok maybe not proctologist but for sure "I'm a doctor"

I think it would be good to change the whole midwife name too.
Old_School Feb 22, 2006, 7:02 PM
In certain situations, I refer to myself as a "kind of a respiratory therapist". Somehow male respiratory therapists get a free ride.

O_S
DaRedMan Feb 22, 2006, 9:14 PM
Old_School wrote:In certain situations, I refer to myself as a "kind of a respiratory therapist". Somehow male respiratory therapists get a free ride.

O_S

"A kind of respiratory therapist"???!

When I go into a patient's room for the first time, I say "I'm your nurse for today"--nothing more. There is no need to make any comparisons, apologies, or excuses. Nursing is an honorable profession where you can help people tremendously. Just because men are only just beginning to enter the profession in any great numbers doesn't mean we should qualify what we do. Senators and Representatives who are women aren't called "Female Senators" or "Female Representatives." No doctor whom I have worked with, who happens to be a women, has every said "I'm Female Doctor Jones." And I've never heard one say, "I'm kind of a Physician's Assistant" or "I'm kind of a Nurse Practitioner."

The meanings of words evolve over time. If there is female-associated "baggage" attached to the word "Nurse" in some people's minds now, it will lessen in time as more and more men enter the profession. So chill out and be proud of what you do.
vincent Feb 23, 2006, 3:21 AM
Hi everyone!

IMO, I think it's all about PERCEPTION! One thinks there's a feminine conotation to the word "nurse" but when you look closely in the dictionary... it says " a nurse is a person trained to care for the sick or disabled, especially one educated in the scientific basis of human response to health problems and trained to assist a physician." Hence, if you are a human being, either males or females, and have the dedication to learn and a genuine love to help other people, you can become a nurse! Heck, you can even call nurses scientists! That may be a little bit of a stretch, but nurses have to study chem and bio and all those other good stuffs too! :P

I'm one of the "lucky" few who got the chance to witness the rewarding nursing career for many years (I had kidneys failure) That's what got me interested in studying to become a nurse. I also want to note that nursing is not that glamarous as they portray it on TV (E.R), it can be stressful, dangerous, and sometimes tiring. But why I wanted to become a nurse is to help other unfortunate people to get well and give them mental confort. It may sound funny but I'd like to see those little smiles from kids who get to go home after their stay at hospital.

An interesting note I might add, my "female" nephrologist recently told me in order to become a nurse, I need to be brave! :P

- Vincent
Karl Johan Feb 28, 2006, 8:33 AM
I don't know which Aussie hospitals KimmieJS works at, because I've never heard anyone called sister. Could you list them so I don't ever apply there :D

Many of my lecturers were men, they were nurses so I never felt at all odd being called a nurse, I guess it must be worse for people in the US, as you are so obsessed about all things sexual, at least that is the impression I get over here.

Besides, when did it become seen as odd or wrong for men to look after people who couldn't look after themselves. That's what we do in nursing.

I suspect that the people who think nursing isn't for men probably also think that the main things a nurse does is fluff pillows and flirt with handsome young patients while harboring a crush on the (impossibly) young surgeon.

My two cents,
KJ
mexogre May 22, 2006, 8:16 PM
If I remember my nursing history correctly, the FIRST nurses were a group of men who formed a chivalrous (knight's) order to care for those wounded on the battle field.
SoldierNurse Aug 10, 2006, 12:56 AM
Brewerpaul wrote:No, there's no official title, but so often I hear men in the profession say "I'm a male nurse". Yes, I definitely agree that if you do the job right you'll get the necessary recognition, but I still wonder if the word "nurse" has too many female connotations. Hey-- I'm not gonna quit nursing school over it in any event! :D
Late reply [8/9/06]...

Yes, the word nurse has a female connotation. Which, is exactly why I like the title Male RN. However, I see no other new appropriate word alternative title for male nurses.
SoldierNurse Aug 10, 2006, 1:27 AM

Reviving a dead horse, LOL...

mexogre wrote:If I remember my nursing history correctly, the FIRST nurses were a group of men who formed a chivalrous (knight's) order to care for those wounded on the battle field.
Yes, you are correct... you win the keys to my Vette, J/K!

Men in Nursing: A Historical Time Line

The world's first nursing school founded in India about 250 B.C. Only men were considered "pure" enough to become nurses.

The term "nosocomial" meaning "hospital acquired" stems from the nosocomi, the men whom provided nursing care in ancient Rome.

In 300 A.D., a group of men, the Parabolani, started a hospital providing nursing care during the Black Plague epidemic.

St. Benedict founded the Benedictine nursing order, while St. Alexis was in the fifth century. Military, religious and lay orders of men including the Knights Hospitalers, the Teutonic Knights, the Knights of St. Lazarus and the Hospital Brothers of St. Anthony provided nursing care during the Middle Ages.

The Alexian Brothers began as informal groups of laymen about 1300 A.D., providing nursing care for the poor.

St. John of God (1495-1550) devoted his life to serving the ill and mistreated and was canonized in 1690. St. Camillius (1510-1614) is credited with developing the first field ambulance. He was canonized in 1746. The symbol of his order, the red cross, remains the primary symbol of health care. In 1930, St. Camillius and St. John of God were named co-patron saints of nursing.

First American Nurse; Seventy years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, Friar Juan de Mena was shipwrecked off the south Texas coast. He is the first identified nurse in what was to become the United States.

The Crimean War started in 1853. A biographer of Florence Nightingale, regarded as the first modern female nurse, noted that male "orderlies" provided nursing care prior to and after Nightingale's arrival at the Crimean front.

In 1859, Dunant provided nursing care after the Battle of Solferino. He was helped found the International Red Cross and the Geneva Convention. He won the first Nobel Peace Prize in 1901.

During the U.S. Civil War, both sides had military men serving as nurses. Men were the majority of the front line nurses while female nurses were typically restricted to general hospitals in the major cities.

Both the Crimean War and the U. S. Civil War decimated the male population. Without men to help with the labor, many women were unable to continue farming and moved to cities and became "matrons" in military hospitals. The military continued to primarily use men as nurses.

In 1866, the Alexians built their first hospital in Chicago, Illinois and in 1869, opened a second hospital in St. Louis, Missouri. Today their work continues around the world.

In 1898 the U.S. fought a brief war with Spain. The Daughters of the American Revolution recruited contract female physicians and nurses during the war.

Nursing Schools For Men; The Mills School for Nursing and St. Vincent's Hospital School for Men were founded in New York in 1888. The Pennsylvania Hospital opened a school for female nurses in 1914 and simultaneously opened a separate men's nursing school. However, men were not allowed to attend some state-supported nursing schools until 1982.

Army Nurse Corps; In 1901, the Army Nurse Corps was formed. Only women could serve as nurses and military nursing changed from being predominately male to exclusively female, which furthered the process of the feminization of nursing. During World War I & II there were nursing shortages and women were given tuition, room, board, uniforms and a stipend to attend nursing school, but were not required to enter the service. In a time when few men were practicing nursing in the U.S., two men worked to promote men in nursing. Leroy N. Craig, superintendent of the Pennsylvania Hospital men's nursing school, fought for the rights of men to participate in the American Nurses Association. Nurse Luther Christman volunteered to serve on the front, if he could serve as a nurse. Christman was turned down for combat duty as a nurse by the U.S. Surgeon General.

Men Again Serve As Military Nurses; Not until 1955, after the Korean War, were men again permitted to serve as military nurses. During the intervening decades men who were registered nurses enlisted or drafted, but were not assigned as nurses. On 9 AUG 1955, President Eisenhower signed into law H.R. 2559; Male RNs were authorized reserve commissions in the ANC. In 1961, Ohio Representative Frances Payne Bolton introduced a bill to Congress to authorize regular commissions for Male RNs.

However, 11 years passed before Male RNs were to receive regular commissions in the ANC. Due to efforts made by the 12th Chief of the ANC, COL Mildred Irene Clark, on 30 SEP 1966 [Public law 89-609] authorized regular commissions for Male RNs.

* ANC info source from the book written by Mary T. Sarnecky, COL (R), USA, A History of the U.S. Army Nurse Corps [ISBN 0-8122-3502-9].

So, today is a very important day in history for the Army Nurse Corps, especially the reserve male nurse Soldiers!

HOOAH!
DanRN Aug 12, 2006, 4:16 AM
I am a Registered Nurse. There is no gender specificity in that title. I have always been very well received by my patients and the public. As someone stated earlier in another way, each nurse earns respect and recognition by the fostering of his or her own career by practicing this challenging profession with skill and empathy.:)
Aaron C. Aug 12, 2006, 10:43 PM
Dan is right. There's no gender specificity. There's just a stereotype.

You don't hear "female doctor" or "female lawyer" or "male teacher" or "female mechanic" or whatever.

The term is fine, it's the interpretation of that term by people that causes issue. Educating those people is the right approach.
SoldierNurse Aug 12, 2006, 11:37 PM
shortbus wrote:Dan is right. There's no gender specificity. There's just a stereotype.

You don't here "female doctor" or "female lawyer" or "male teacher" or "female mechanic" or whatever.

The term is fine, it's the interpretation of that term by people that causes issue. Educating those people is the right approach.

I like that... education is always the key!

;)
kimmiejs Aug 17, 2006, 1:20 AM
Brewerpaul wrote:Has there ever been any talk of changing to title of male nurses to something else?
The word "nurse" is has so much gender baggage. It instantly conjures up images of Florence Nightengale and ladies in square heeled shoes and little white caps. And of course, it's women who NURSE babies.
I'm thinking that a gender neutral term might help alleviate the gender bias associated with men in this profession. Alas, I can't think of a good one :(

If you think that the word "nurse" has lots of baggage do not work as a nurse in Australia. I will never forget the day one of the doctors that did not know me called me "Sister". I know I must have have him a strange look before I called him "Brother". He laughed and aid "You must be the American Nurse I keep hearing about."
bayside Feb 2, 2007, 3:51 AM
DanRN wrote:I am a Registered Nurse. There is no gender specificity in that title. I have always been very well received by my patients and the public. As someone stated earlier in another way, each nurse earns respect and recognition by the fostering of his or her own career by practicing this challenging profession with skill and empathy.:)

I totally agree. At first, I wished they would change the name, but now in my last semester of getting my RN. I have been accepted with open arms. I have RN's assisting me even when I don't want them to. A lot of them tell me, that their husband are nurses or in school for nursing. The nurses and doctors have been very professional and I haven't yet seen a difference. I actually have seen male nurses treated a bit more professionally by M.D's than the female RN's. I have noticed in Peds and in med surg, I had less problems with patients refusing or being rude, than my female collegues. It may be different in other States, but in New York, there doesn't seem to be many issues with male nurses. I occassionally get questions, why did you pick Nursing instead of getting your M.D. I always reply that I Nursing has more opportunities and it is more flexible. Then there are some, who won't see me as a nurse and just 'in their head' see me as a doctor. They will conitue to ask me questions geared to an M. D. When I tell them, you got to really check with the doctor, they tell me c'mon.. you know just as much, what do you think. So, male nurses are on the rise, three of my male friends have tried to get in, only one has been successful. The others went into respiratory and x-ray.
VinodN Feb 3, 2007, 12:40 PM
I think a title would really help. I think to change the public's view of male nurses and other factors. Alot of nurse's assistants and PCTs are mostly males.
Cammer Feb 9, 2007, 4:26 AM
If we can somehow rid society of the term "Male Nurse" then we could truly say that the term "Nurse" has become gender neutral. But until then I stand by my position that the word Nurse has definite feminine overtones. If it didn't then there would be no such term as Male Nurse. When was the last time you heard the term "Policewoman?" Not since the 70s for me. Now they are all known as police officers - a truly gender neutral term.

And of course the silly name "Nurse Mid-Wife" is completely inappropriate if people are ever going to take the idea of men in nursing seriously again. It really should be officially be changed to a title referring to the advanced practitioner status of the degree.
SoldierNurse Feb 9, 2007, 7:13 PM
Cammer wrote:If we can somehow rid society of the term "Male Nurse" then we could truly say that the term "Nurse" has become gender neutral. But until then I stand by my position that the word Nurse has definite feminine overtones. If it didn't then there would be no such term as Male Nurse. When was the last time you heard the term "Policewoman?" Not since the 70s for me. Now they are all known as police officers - a truly gender neutral term.

And of course the silly name "Nurse Mid-Wife" is completely inappropriate if people are ever going to take the idea of men in nursing seriously again. It really should be officially be changed to a title referring to the advanced practitioner status of the degree.
In the nursing profession there are female nurses & male nurses. I'm proud to be a male nurse.

;)
Cammer Feb 10, 2007, 1:16 AM
MagRedC5 wrote:In the nursing profession there are female nurses & male nurses. I'm proud to be a male nurse.
;)

I am also proud of what I am, so proud that I feel like I finally found out what I wanted to be when I grew up.

But, in the civilian sector, among non-medical folks, females are nurses and males are male nurses. I want the term nurse to mean either a male or female person, which it does not - yet.

I see this gender bias as injurious to the nursing profession. I would like to work on eliminating this bias. There has not been enough work done to properly represent modern nurses for who we really are and the kind of work that we really do. If this were the case then we would see men entering the profession in higher numbers, pay rates would increase, retention would increase, overall satisfaction would increase, and the whole of nursing and patient care would exponentially increase.

In the civilian sector only about 1 out of 20 nurses are male and there is a serious shortage of nurses. These two facts are related. The poor representation of men in nursing is key to solving the shortage problem.

The face of nursing has changed. We need to rid society of the old Florence Nightingale idealistic myth and educate the world that we are highly educated and trained professionals.
SoldierNurse Feb 10, 2007, 9:33 AM
The face of nursing has changed. We need to rid society of the old Florence Nightingale idealistic myth and educate the world that we are highly educated and trained professionals. - Cammer

Yep!
hppygr8ful Feb 10, 2007, 5:16 PM
"I see this gender bias as injurious to the nursing profession. I would like to work on eliminating this bias. There has not been enough work done to properly represent modern nurses for who we really are and the kind of work that we really do. If this were the case then we would see men entering the profession in higher numbers, pay rates would increase, retention would increase, overall satisfaction would increase, and the whole of nursing and patient care would exponentially increase. "


Personally I believe that the whole issue is a matter of ego and there is no room for ego in nursing! Hear me out please. When women started entering jobs traditionally held by men - they were subjected to years in some case decades of gender bias and when they tried to say something they were told "Get over it!"

Nursing has traditionally though not exclusively been a career for wom
Marie_LPN Feb 10, 2007, 6:09 PM
DanRN wrote:I am a Registered Nurse. There is no gender specificity in that title. I have always been very well received by my patients and the public. As someone stated earlier in another way, each nurse earns respect and recognition by the fostering of his or her own career by practicing this challenging profession with skill and empathy.:)

I love that post. It cound have been written by either gender.:)
Cammer Feb 11, 2007, 4:11 AM
[quote=hppygr8ful;35779Personally I believe that the whole issue is a matter of ego and there is no room for ego in nursing! Hear me out please. When women started entering jobs traditionally held by men - they were subjected to years in some case decades of gender bias and when they tried to say something they were told "Get over it!"

Nursing has traditionally though not exclusively been a career for wom[/quote]

I agree with you completely. There is no room for ego in this profession. I have had to prove myself as a competent nurse to women who still think that the female gender is the only gender good enough to adequately care for people. And the years of gender bias... yes, there have been years of anti-male gender bias in nursing. I don't like it when women tell me to "Get over it" and deny that there is a bias in society against men in nursing.

Your last sentence looks like it was cut off, but if I read it correctly you are right. Since around 1900 nursing has been traditionally a female dominated profession. Prior to this it seems that nursing was not associated with either men or women specifically. It was not a role that held gender bias until the late 1800s.
Cammer Feb 11, 2007, 4:15 AM
Marie_LPN wrote:I cannot find the words to express how ridiculous i think the title "murse" is. :rolleyes:

Personally I find the title "male nurse" just as ridiculous. But at least "murse" has some humor potential. :)
Marie_LPN Feb 11, 2007, 5:05 AM
Cammer wrote:Personally I find the title "male nurse" just as ridiculous. But at least "murse" has some humor potential. :)

So does the phrase 'male nurse.'
SoldierNurse Feb 11, 2007, 7:47 PM
Cammer wrote:Good point! I guess I need to lighten up a bit. :)
Hello Cammer,

Rather than re-name our profession for the sake of gender equality, gender acceptance in a non-traditional role, etc., we should focus our energy on educating the general public on the significant role nurses play in patient care.

:cheers:

BTW, personally I like the term male nurse and see nothing wrong with it. However, I'm perfectly content with the title of nurse, too. ;)
Cammer Feb 11, 2007, 11:13 PM
MagRedC5 wrote:Hello Cammer,

Rather than re-name our profession for the sake of gender equality, gender acceptance in a non-traditional role, etc., we should focus our energy on educating the general public on the significant role nurses play in patient care.

I definitely agree with you on this! The last thing I want to see happen is a renaming of what we are/do. Educating the public about the real modern role of nursing in healthcare is a worthy cause and it will happen eventually. I just wish there were a few more hours in each day to accomplish it faster! Well, maybe when I'm finally done with school.
MagRedC5 wrote:BTW, personally I like the term male nurse and see nothing wrong with it. However, I'm perfectly content with the title of nurse, too. ;)

I know you like the term male nurse. Personally I don't hate it, I just believe that it sends the wrong message to the public. Use of that term implies that what you do is different from a nurse, when actually there is no difference between a nurse and a male nurse. Therefore I prefer to use the term nurse when I tell folks what I am.

:cheers:
SoldierNurse Feb 12, 2007, 3:52 AM
Cammer wrote:I definitely agree with you on this! The last thing I want to see happen is a renaming of what we are/do. Educating the public about the real modern role of nursing in healthcare is a worthy cause and it will happen eventually. I just wish there were a few more hours in each day to accomplish it faster! Well, maybe when I'm finally done with school.



I know you like the term male nurse. Personally I don't hate it, I just believe that it sends the wrong message to the public. Use of that term implies that what you do is different from a nurse, when actually there is no difference between a nurse and a male nurse. Therefore I prefer to use the term nurse when I tell folks what I am.

:cheers:
Psst, being content is a good thing. ;)

However, I'm perfectly content with the title of nurse, too.
MiteMsispe Feb 13, 2007, 9:58 AM
Great history lessons on this site. I am a nurse who happens to be male. You could always call yourself a RN.I love it when a child refers to me as a nurse and not a male nurse. This gives me hope that possibly the gender bias and perception of nursing is changing. I also find it very funny when old ladies (generally) introduce me to others as their male nurse. There is too much stress already associated with nursing to give a rats a** about semantics. We need nurses at our side and I think more male nurses would definitely benefit us all. I have found over the last 17 years of nursing that women can be so catty and petty. :dance:
TomB Feb 13, 2007, 10:26 PM
When people ask me what I do for a living I usually tell them I'm an RN. When I introduce myself to patients I tell them that I'm their nurse.

I never cared for the term male nurse. If they can't tell I'm a male by looking at me I have bigger problems than a title.

Maybe because I work in a big city the fact that I'm male and a nurse really isn't an issue. I work in a trauma center and there's a lot of guys there: flight staff, EMTs, paramedics, docs and nurses. The only time on my job when gender seems to be an issue is when dealing with witnessing pelvic exams, female caths and LOLs. If it's a female doc I can be in on a pelvic (usually at HOB) there has to be an RN in the room. LOLs you just deal with.

"Nurse" is a dated term - reminds me of lactating. Like "nursing" someone. But I think we're stuck with it. I think as more and more males go into nursing and as the population ages the term will be less gender-specific.

As for females being catty... I'm not going there!! LOL
badphish Feb 14, 2007, 4:39 PM
As a paramedic in the great field of EMS, one in the process of starting a new career as an RN. (im trying to figure out how take my pre-reqs; attend nursing school; and still try to do a 24/48 shift.) i would rather be called nurse/male nurse or even sweetie than the things im called in this field. some of which are:

"oh you're an ambulance driver"
security guard ( we wear an awful white polyester shirt)
officer as in police officer
stretcher jockey
band-aid
and on the radio by fire dept. "commercial" as in "cancel commercial" we are not a private company our fellow EMS service on the other side of the county is.

btw the british army calls their medics/male nurses "skirts"

sincerely yours

brett the skirt
Cammer Feb 14, 2007, 8:24 PM
badphish wrote:As a paramedic in the great field of EMS, one in the process of starting a new career as an RN. (im trying to figure out how take my pre-reqs; attend nursing school; and still try to do a 24/48 shift.) i would rather be called nurse/male nurse or even sweetie than the things im called in this field. some of which are:

"oh you're an ambulance driver"
security guard ( we wear an awful white polyester shirt)
officer as in police officer
stretcher jockey
band-aid
and on the radio by fire dept. "commercial" as in "cancel commercial" we are not a private company our fellow EMS service on the other side of the county is.

btw the british army calls their medics/male nurses "skirts"

sincerely yours

brett the skirt

I spent several years in EMS before going into nursing. To facilitate schooling I found that I really had to completely quit the fire dept and take a part time job in a local ER as a paramedic. It just didn't work out with the 24/48 shift schedule. I found the school work was too intense at times to manage working full time with school and hours of clinicals,YMMV.

Like you, I had to put up with "stretcher jockey," etc. but it was all in good fun. No one in EMS likes the term "Ambulance driver" though. There haven't been ambulance drivers in the USA in many years and it really does a disservice to an EMT or EMT-P to use that term. Calling a paramedic an ambulance driver is akin to calling a nurse a diaper changer. There's a lot more to the profession than just the basics. But being called a security guard was sometimes kinda funny. After all, we did wear a uniform similar to a "rent-a-cop."

There are euphemistic names for just about every profession I guess.
SoldierNurse Feb 14, 2007, 8:38 PM
badphish wrote:As a paramedic in the great field of EMS, one in the process of starting a new career as an RN. (im trying to figure out how take my pre-reqs; attend nursing school; and still try to do a 24/48 shift.) i would rather be called nurse/male nurse or even sweetie than the things im called in this field. some of which are:

"oh you're an ambulance driver"
security guard ( we wear an awful white polyester shirt)
officer as in police officer
stretcher jockey
band-aid
and on the radio by fire dept. "commercial" as in "cancel commercial" we are not a private company our fellow EMS service on the other side of the county is.

btw the british army calls their medics/male nurses "skirts"

sincerely yours

brett the skirt
LOL, I ain't in the British Army. I'm in the United States Army. ;)
orionseal Mar 26, 2007, 8:00 PM
Brewerpaul wrote:Has there ever been any talk of changing to title of male nurses to something else?
The word "nurse" is has so much gender baggage. It instantly conjures up images of Florence Nightengale and ladies in square heeled shoes and little white caps. And of course, it's women who NURSE babies.
I'm thinking that a gender neutral term might help alleviate the gender bias associated with men in this profession. Alas, I can't think of a good one :(

Dealing with the rustic small town attitude of northern michigan the only obvious title for men who happen to be nurses should stick out like a sore thumb. the local populous of this area has always assumed that nurses of the same gender as myself have almost always been seen as "TARGETS" for any and all slurs inuendoes and sundry of whatyoucallits:frustrated:
SinatraV Apr 4, 2007, 7:36 AM
I just found this forum today and I have very much enjoyed the last 4 hours of reading through most every post from the last 3 months. I find myself specifically drawn to the 2 posts I have read through their entirety about the female stereotypes associated with the term "nurse". While I am not as eloquently versed as some other members, I would like to point out a couple of observations that I made while reading the different points of view.

Let me preface it by saying that I had never given it much thought until tonight. I am an RN student so that somewhat eliminates the introduction controversy. I do however see the looks whenever someone asks me what I am going to school for and I tell them "Nursing." I also live in a place with a high Mexican immigrant population. Most of them from work know that I am going into the medical field but automatically assume that I am going to be a doctor. I find this interesting. I am married to my hero, who is also an RN, so I have accepted that dealing with this stereotype is necessary to join the nursing profession, but that was a decision that had to be addressed prior to enrollment. While I will state that the negative impact on my life has been nill, the stereotypes are observable.

Enough with the intro. It has become obvious that there are points in which both "sides" agree. As I have observed, everyone agrees that there are in fact feminine traits associated with the term nurse. It seems as well that everyone could agree that the best solution would be to increase public awareness so that these female traits become disassociated and the term nurse is no longer publicly recognized as gender specific. While that would be an acceptable solution for both sides of the renaming argument, I do believe that society could better adapt to this paradigm shift with the aid of a new name. I offer up this example. Everyone remembers when Claratin went on the market as an OTC drug. It was and still may be around 10 tablets/$20. I just purchased recently, at Wal-Mart on closeout, Claratin "Hives Relief" for 10/$3. As health care professionals we all know that the active ingredient, Laratadine 10mg, no matter how it is advertised, is still an antihistamine. My observation is that the marketing department recognized the need for a new name in order for the public to better redefine the uses of the same drug. Another point is that obviously the general public did not identify that it was the same and thus it was on sale for an 85% discount. An obscure reference to be sure, but I think that it does demonstrate the usefulness/effectiveness of a name change when redefining public image.

I have noted that none of the advocates of a name change seem to be ashamed of the profession. Neither is it what I call a "deal breaker" for them. They are proud of the services that they provide and would not want to do anything else. I saw one comment made to the fact that if the name changed, the profession would not so what's the point. I propose that if the name changed, the profession would not, it will only facilitate a change in the publics interpretation of that profession, so why not?

I very much look forward to involving this forum in my in my nursing education.

John
badphish Apr 8, 2007, 5:20 PM
regmed-- i know u are in the US army as was i. im sure u have had the opportunity to train with other forces though , right?

stay safe in iraq bro. reminds me way off topic. i saw the documentary baghdad ER on hbo. great show if somewhat of a misnomer.

i operated independently out of the back of my ambulance "cracker box" for the persian gulf so ddnt get the chance at working as part of a team in war. on te other hand i was sure grateful for the clearing hospital and its hot soup and hot coffee after a 6 hr transport with a belly pain.


sorry bout straying off topic.

the whole nurse thing doesnt bother me. and to be honest call me what u want just dont spell my name wrong on my check.
onetraveler Apr 8, 2007, 5:53 PM
Cammer wrote:I spent several years in EMS before going into nursing. To facilitate schooling I found that I really had to completely quit the fire dept and take a part time job in a local ER as a paramedic. It just didn't work out with the 24/48 shift schedule. I found the school work was too intense at times to manage working full time with school and hours of clinicals,YMMV.

Like you, I had to put up with "stretcher jockey," etc. but it was all in good fun. No one in EMS likes the term "Ambulance driver" though. There haven't been ambulance drivers in the USA in many years and it really does a disservice to an EMT or EMT-P to use that term. Calling a paramedic an ambulance driver is akin to calling a nurse a diaper changer. There's a lot more to the profession than just the basics. But being called a security guard was sometimes kinda funny. After all, we did wear a uniform similar to a "rent-a-cop."

There are euphemistic names for just about every profession I guess.

I worked in Memphis last year. The unit I worked on was predominantly African American. Or Black whichever is PC today.

I am a female RN. But there I was called the Caucasian Nurse. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

If I were a man I think ( I don't really know I'm still thinking) I'd rather be called the male nurse but then again........
sierra_lpn Jun 6, 2007, 4:33 AM
TomB wrote:I never cared for the term male nurse. If they can't tell I'm a male by looking at me I have bigger problems than a title.

Actually, Tom, by looking at you I'd say you're an action figure.
sierra_lpn Jun 6, 2007, 4:35 AM
MagRedC5 wrote:Rather than re-name our profession for the sake of gender equality, gender acceptance in a non-traditional role, etc., we should focus our energy on educating the general public on the significant role nurses play in patient care.

And I'd like to reply to that Red, but I'm not sure what you've said...
SoldierNurse Jun 11, 2007, 12:25 AM
sierra_lpn wrote:And I'd like to reply to that Red, but I'm not sure what you've said...

Okay Mike, I'll try to break it down for you.

"Rather than re-name our profession for the sake of gender equality, gender acceptance in a non-traditional role, etc."

Nursing is considered a female profession, therefore some male nurses have suggested selecting a different name for the word nurse.


"...we should focus our energy on educating the general public on the significant role nurses play in patient care."

Rather than spending a lot of time & effort to find a title to replace the word nurse I say inform the public what it is exactly we nurses do.

Now, if you are still not clear to the meaning of my original post... :p
Cammer Jun 11, 2007, 3:50 AM
onetraveler wrote:If I were a man I think ( I don't really know I'm still thinking) I'd rather be called the male nurse but then again........

You could compare that to a female police officer being called a "policewoman," which is a term that is incredibly antiquated and went out of style sometime in the 1980s due to the objections of professional women.

The objection that is most commonly voiced by men in nursing, on this subject, is that being called a "male nurse" implies a different job description than being simply called a nurse. Since gender has no relation to job function or responsibilities, a gender specific job title has no place in our profession.

The other day something upset me a bit. I overheard a conversation between a charge nurse and a department manager, both female, where one asked the other to try and be sure to put at least one male nurse on the schedule for a particular shift. This was asked in the context of a very heavy patient currently in the department and the fact that there wasn't a CNA scheduled. So perhaps men really are viewed by some women to have a different job description. A job description that not only involves taking a full patient load, but also includes moving every patient in the department that is deemed to be too heavy for a woman to move. Every time a patient needs to get from a chair to bed, or bed to chair, or up to a commode, etc. Sorry, I don't mind helping, but it does get old, and I have just as much charting and other responsibilities as everyone else. So please only ask if you really need the help.
Ricu Jun 12, 2007, 12:55 PM
Cammer wrote:You could compare that to a female police officer being called a "policewoman," which is a term that is incredibly antiquated and went out of style sometime in the 1980s due to the objections of professional women.

The objection that is most commonly voiced by men in nursing, on this subject, is that being called a "male nurse" implies a different job description than being simply called a nurse. Since gender has no relation to job function or responsibilities, a gender specific job title has no place in our profession.

The other day something upset me a bit. I overheard a conversation between a charge nurse and a department manager, both female, where one asked the other to try and be sure to put at least one male nurse on the schedule for a particular shift. This was asked in the context of a very heavy patient currently in the department and the fact that there wasn't a CNA scheduled. So perhaps men really are viewed by some women to have a different job description. A job description that not only involves taking a full patient load, but also includes moving every patient in the department that is deemed to be too heavy for a woman to move. Every time a patient needs to get from a chair to bed, or bed to chair, or up to a commode, etc. Sorry, I don't mind helping, but it does get old, and I have just as much charting and other responsibilities as everyone else. So please only ask if you really need the help.


Hey Cam,

I agree with everything you just wrote. It seems to be very difficult in the case of heavy lifting to say there is no double standard. In reality, with specialized equipment available, there should be no need to make such staffing accommodations. Furthermore, is the average male nurse that much more physically able than the average female nurse to do such heavy lifting?

R
Marie_LPN Oct 1, 2007, 11:20 PM
sierra_lpn wrote:I like to refer to myself as "Lord of the Urinal".


I'm really not sure why...


...but I'm sure it's Tom's fault.

As long as you aim into it, lol j/k;)
blackryn0 Feb 12, 2008, 8:25 PM
Its funny the other night i told my father inlaw that i wanted to be a nurse and he busted out laughing and stared choking on his beer, i had to continuously slap his back so he wouldn't choke. Then after he stopped choking he said serves him right go do your thing.
Ricu Feb 15, 2008, 3:05 AM
I'd like to see another title other than "Nurse" but doubt that breaking with tradition would be generally accepted. Glad your father-in-law came around.

R
jimemt Mar 12, 2008, 9:41 PM
Maybe we all get a shoulder path for our scrubs to the effect:
image of a buff male in srcubs, sleeves rolled up, stethoscope around the neck with "Male Nurse emblazoned across the image and surrounded by the legend "Trained to save your ass, not to kiss it ..."

:D

-- Jim
marklw Jun 10, 2008, 4:07 PM
hi, new nursing student here. well, i actually strat in August, so am almost a new student nurse. my past career was as a flight attendant for a major US airline. this was back in the early 80's so you can imagine there were very few guys flying back then. (yes i do see a pattern of going into usually considered female proffesions) anyway, back then i would often get the question, usually by female passengers, "what do we call you..." without blinking i would just say, "well, they usually just call me handsome." humor is a great equalizer i find. mark
Ricu Jun 11, 2008, 12:24 AM
marklw wrote:hi, new nursing student here. well, i actually strat in August, so am almost a new student nurse. my past career was as a flight attendant for a major US airline. this was back in the early 80's so you can imagine there were very few guys flying back then. (yes i do see a pattern of going into usually considered female proffesions) anyway, back then i would often get the question, usually by female passengers, "what do we call you..." without blinking i would just say, "well, they usually just call me handsome." humor is a great equalizer i find. mark

Hi Mark,

Welcome to the profession and thank you for starting with humor. This profession will call on that skill greatly so strive to keep it up. Please stay in touch with us and good luck.

R
SoldierNurse Jul 15, 2008, 5:58 AM
blackryn0 wrote:Its funny the other night i told my father inlaw that i wanted to be a nurse and he busted out laughing and stared choking on his beer, i had to continuously slap his back so he wouldn't choke. Then after he stopped choking he said serves him right go do your thing.
I'd be happy to share with him all I saw & did while deployed to Iraq for 15 months as an Army nurse.
SoldierNurse Jul 15, 2008, 6:02 AM
jimemt wrote:Maybe we all get a shoulder path for our scrubs to the effect:
image of a buff male in srcubs, sleeves rolled up, stethoscope around the neck with "Male Nurse emblazoned across the image and surrounded by the legend "Trained to save your ass, not to kiss it ..."

:D

-- Jim