I have a question for the members of this forum.
There is alot of information on drug addictions to opioid and tranquilizers and amphetamine classes of medications, what about psych meds?
My ex is an advance practice nurse that has prescriptive authority. This person self prescribed, stole samples, wrote scripts for people in his clinic and then filled the meds himself and even did five finger discount on meds out of nursing homes that he rounded on.
His addictive behavior was a catalyst for our divorce and when I insisted he get help his response was, class IV drugs and psych meds are not addicting!
I did not find much in the way for information on people abusing provigil, ambien and drugs like geodon, paxil, effexor etc.
When my ex moved out I emptied out a grocery bag of samples that he was presently taking or previously took on his own without valid prescriptions.
He was even having ambien delivered to his home address and it was not for the clinic. I witnessed serotonin withdrawal many times over.
I was just wondering if anyone on this forum has seen or experienced this type of addictive behavior with these type of drugs?
Justwondering wrote:I have a question for the members of this forum.
There is alot of information on drug addictions to opioid and tranquilizers and amphetamine classes of medications, what about psych meds?
My ex is an advance practice nurse that has prescriptive authority. This person self prescribed, stole samples, wrote scripts for people in his clinic and then filled the meds himself and even did five finger discount on meds out of nursing homes that he rounded on.
His addictive behavior was a catalyst for our divorce and when I insisted he get help his response was, class IV drugs and psych meds are not addicting!
I did not find much in the way for information on people abusing provigil, ambien and drugs like geodon, paxil, effexor etc.
When my ex moved out I emptied out a grocery bag of samples that he was presently taking or previously took on his own without valid prescriptions.
He was even having ambien delivered to his home address and it was not for the clinic. I witnessed serotonin withdrawal many times over.
I was just wondering if anyone on this forum has seen or experienced this type of addictive behavior with these type of drugs?
There are many drugs especially in the Psych specialty that are extremely addicting. I should know because my drugs of choice back in the day were, benedryl,phenergan, Ambian (super addicting). When I went back to work I worked in psych and saw people use drugs like seroquel addictively, also Nubain. The truth is an addict can become addicted to anything because the disease is not caused by the drugs. When I got sober I turned to food and then fora short time to bulemic vomiting (could'nt keep that up because I can't stand the taste of vomit in my mouth.
Hope this helps you find peace
Namaste
Hppy
If I have learned anything about addiction it is you can be addicted to anything. I think for addicts that use stronger drugs like meth,cocaine,heroin,prescribed narcotics,sleeping pills and alcohol stand out more and take you down fast. The second thing is everyone gets caught eventually. When he gets caught he will do jail time.
I stole drugs that were going to be tossed in the trash but I am still a thief. It didn't belong to me and wasn't prescribed to me.However,he is involving other peoples names,insurance fraud,pharmacies and the FDA. That is allot of trouble. I am not one to judge others and I ignore those who judge me. However, I wish he could catch himself before he gets caught but I think we all know how this works "we don't have a problem until we get caught" From what you write in your posts and the advice you gave me from another thread,I'd like to say you sound like your head is in a good place and I am happy about that. I don't presume to know anything about your relationship with your ex and how his actions truly effect you now even though he is your ex. There are allot of us out there who for whatever reason still have feelings for people who we should technically hate but don't and because we are embarrassed to admit we have whatever the feelings are, we hide them so people who we consider "normal" don't think we are nuts.
Take me for example; I'm a single mom with a ten year old little girl. Her father held her for two hours when she was 2 months old,said he would be back the next day, but being the coward that he is,he blew town and never looked back.
I'm Italian and my family is large,loud and close. My dad still believes in some of the primitive "God father complex ;family is most important and any man that turns his back on their own child,isn't a man. I still love her father,10 years later. How pathetic is that? If my dad knew this he would probably have me committed. I hid this from my friends and family and lied about my true feelings and was really disgusted with myself.How is it possible for me to love a person who can turn his back on his own child. Now, what do you think I did because I was lying to my family and friends and most importantly myself? If you guess drug's that would be correct. I guess the moral of this story is;feel what you feel about him, but don't let his problem be yours.
You know what they say "what goes around,comes around"
cat 16
Thank you for the response, its appreciated.
In my 20 years of dealing with my own addiction I have come to know quite a few people who abused benadryl. Now, would that be a drug anyone would seriously consider an "abusable" drug? Also, look back through time at some of the medications considered an "insignificant risk" for misuse and/or addiction.
Meperidine was considered a much safer pain med and presented a significantly lower abuse "potential". At one time, meperidine was the most abused opioid by nurses and many physicians.
The next medications were butorphanol (Stadol) and nalbuphine(Nubain). These were considered low abuse potential because in an actively using opioid addict, their use would precipitate acute wtihdrawal as a result of their antagonist properties at the mu receptor. However, if you enjoyed the feeling of being sedated. these were excellent medications to achieve the desired results.
Today, a medication considered such a low potential for abuse, it's not "controlled" and many institutions don't bother to keep track of how much is administered or how much is wasted. The drug? Propofol (Diprivan). The really frightening thing about propofol is the narrow effective dose for sedation (ED-50) is extremely close to the lethal dose (LD-50). Even experienced anesthesia providers administering propofol for sedation purposes find themselves providing ventilation because the patient stopped breathing for a short period of time. As we all know, Dr. Conrad Murray is charged with manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson because he wasn't attentive enough (or not present) when Mr. Jackson experienced apnea from asedative dose. Also, propofol abuse by anesthesia providers and clinicians who administer the medication is rising rapidly, with death being the presenting sign.
It's not necessarily the particular drug...it's the behaviors associated with it's use and/or when they can't get the drug that matter.
Hang in there and take care of YOU!
Your response makes total sense, even a spoon can be a murder weapon.
I guess when your in the middle of it, all the lies and manipulations tend to make yourself question your own judgment.
Thank you for your informative response.
I think what you are saying is scary but very true. I used to take a ton of benedryl, I had bad sinuses, or did I? Is it possible that my body became so accustomed to having the drug in my system that on days when I didn't take it my nose was a mess and I remember saying to myself " gotta take my allergy pills. Here's the kicker, I don't have allergies. I finally did stop taking it, my nose stopped running.
I really liked what you said about addicts are not bad people. I know i'm a good person but for a certain period of time in my life drugs stopped me from living up to my potential as that person.
You said you are a CRNA, in your opinion do you think this Dr who administered those drugs to that are supposed to be administered under a controlled environment was greedy becaused i'm sure MJ was paying him a fortune, an idiot or all of the above? I'm thinking all of the above.
cat 16 wrote:I think what you are saying is scary but very true. I used to take a ton of benedryl, I had bad sinuses, or did I? Is it possible that my body became so accustomed to having the drug in my system that on days when I didn't take it my nose was a mess and I remember saying to myself " gotta take my allergy pills. Here's the kicker, I don't have allergies. I finally did stop taking it, my nose stopped running.
I really liked what you said about addicts are not bad people. I know i'm a good person but for a certain period of time in my life drugs stopped me from living up to my potential as that person.
You said you are a CRNA, in your opinion do you think this Dr who administered those drugs to that are supposed to be administered under a controlled environment was greedy becaused i'm sure MJ was paying him a fortune, an idiot or all of the above? I'm thinking all of the above.
It's pretty difficult to get into another person's head and truly know what they were thinking. What I will say is this Dr practiced outside the accepted guidelines for the use of propofol (by qualified anesthesia providers in a controlled setting with proper monitoring , resuscitation equipment and back-up personnel. My guess is providing this "service" in a home doesn't meet those criteria. As a cardiologist, I'm not sure what kind of training he may have received regarding the administration of propofol. Based on the fact he administered in a patient's home, I doubt his training was "sufficient". I also doubt the physician represents the average clinician.
As for the benadryl and your stuffy nose/allergies, definitely a possibility. It's a shame we (as health care professionals) don't receive a more in-depth training on the disease of addiction, especially in health care professionals. We don't blame an oncologist with cancer for developing the disease. Neither do we jump on the cardiologist if they have hypertension or coronary artery disease.
No one ever intends to "become" an addict. Simply saying that implies they "did it to themselves". What about the person who develops lung cancer after smoking...skin cancer after sun-bathing, etc. It's time we start treating addiction as the disease that it is. It's pretty clear all the other grabage that's been tried isn't working. Gee....treating cancer by sending the person to prison wouldn't work very well either, would it?
Keep taking it one day at a time!
