Drugs

29 posts · started Jan 25, 2004

BamaRN Jan 25, 2004, 4:21 PM
Hi all. I am a male nursing student in my 2nd semester of school. I have 3 more after this and will take the boards next fall. I'm really excited about all of the possibilities and most of all (not to sound too cliche)about the opportunities to change lives that I'll have. I do have a question for current RN's. I occasionally smoke small ammounts of marijuana. I don't have remorse or shame because I know it's a personal choice that I let affect noone around me. I only do it alone or with very close friends. I don't sell it or try to get anyone else to try it. My question is, where (if anywhere) does this fit into the nursing scene? I understand (to some degree) society's view on it and totally understand how a healthcare system would or could have an aversion to people involved with it. I know also that most hospitals and systems have a drug policy and enforce it via testing. However, as I stated, I do not affect people with my use and would certainly not let it interfere in any way with my work as a nurse. Can anyone relate to this? Thank you.
All41 Jan 25, 2004, 5:44 PM
I used to believe that marijuana should be legalized even though I do not smoke it. I was just as brainwashed as you appear to be. I changed my mind when I did my clinical for my BSN (2002). I spent 6wks. at Step One, a drug counseling program in my city. I found out that THC attaches to fat, ergo making it fat soluble. I am sure you know or will learn that it takes a long time, if ever, to reach fat stored in the body. You may not know that there is a large amount of fat storage in the brain. Over time, the build up of THC attaches to the fat in the brain in the area of the synapse eventually causing signals to misfire. The taking of any drug has an insidious effect, thereby confusing us into thinking we aren't really doing any harm. I would like to caution you that your dalliance with THC will eventually and with certainty, cause you harm both personally and professionally. Please allow me to share this from one of my textbooks..."We say to you, 'With so much power, walk carefully and humbly. Do no harm: walk carefully so that the granite weight of that power does not crush. Abide with us.'"
Berger, 1996
If you want to smoke, change professions. If you want a career like no other on earth, cease immediately.
Thank-you for listening!
Aaron C. Jan 25, 2004, 6:44 PM
when I was in college....(graduated H.S. in '95) I did my fair share.

I don't think it's a big deal, but when you are working in a healthcare setting, it's a big NO-NO!

If you're going to do it anyway, don't do it around/during your work time. The effects are longer lasting than you think, at least in terms of slowing you down.

You are going to have to pass a drug test no matter what hospital you work for, and probably at most nursing homes.

I think it would be okay to legalize it, at least in comparison to Alchohol, but two wrongs don't make a right.

I drink alchohol about once every week or so, so I can't say it's wrong, but it definately impairs you and can take control of your life, see our addicts forum. I think that the effects of Marijuana pale in comparison to alchohol, but with weed you have "social opinion" as well as the fact that it is illegal, and religious groups don't want it, and beer co's don't want it.

I'd rather my children (when they get older) smoke pot than drink alcohol, because I don't think it impairs you near as much. But I don't want them going to jail, getting fired, or kicked out of school either.

Enough rambling. You're going to have to quit or REALLY cut down.
Anonymous Jan 25, 2004, 10:58 PM
I hate to disagree with you Aaron...But I have been a nurse for 24 years..And this last September was the first time I ever did a drug screen for a nursing position.

Please remember not all hospitals, clinics, or other healthcare institutions require drug screens.

I have worked in CT, NV, CA and now NC..Not to mention my home state of Maine..I worked at Maine Medical twice and neither time was I required to do a drug screen..The last time being in 2001.


WR,,, three commas for Becca

I am not commenting on MJ it's use or non use..Just the fact that the poster posted says he's concerned.
Anonymous Jan 26, 2004, 12:33 AM
One and only.. I even had top secret government clearance in the 70's before I was a nurse with out a drug screen.


Not every thing is always cut and dried...


WR,,, three commas for Becca

My son is USMC and he won't eat poppy seeds...
Generation2 Jan 26, 2004, 12:44 AM
Not doing anyone any harm? Maybe you haven't heard of the drug war? People killed by drug dealers, drug money fueling violent cartels, smugglers, street gangs? Go up to the wife or kids of a DEA officer or cop killed in the line of duty, and tell them about how nobody gets hurt because of drugs. Man, that's just asinine. A family member of mine is an undercover cop, busting local dealers. I worry about him because people like you are able to fool themselves into believing that what they do doesn't impact other people. A nurse should know better.
All41 Jan 26, 2004, 12:29 PM
To Everyone, and in response to Aaron's reply; alcohol does indeed cause more tangible negative responses but I would liken it to our response to airline crashes vs. automobile crashes. Just because we don't hear of the sum total of lives ruined from 1)breaking the law and incarceration (which can financially ruin a family or create orphans for our society to 2)getting high, using bad judgement for whatever comes across one's path be it other drugs or unprotected sex; you cannot make the comparison that one is less harmful. As to lasting effects, the body rids itself of the total physiological effect of alcohol in due time, while the fat soluble THC sticks around. Last, please let me offer some caution to Generation2 for making the comment that a nurse should know better. Drugs are an equal opportunity exploiter. Being a nurse does not make you more inhuman than the next. Don't hold anyone in higher regard because by the Grace of God, anyone of us could be captured by addiction. We are only here to guide, treat, and not condemn.
BamaRN Jan 26, 2004, 1:14 PM
First off, Gen. Can we please avoid the stereotypes and condescension. I have heard it all before and I don't really want to get into a debate on whether marijuana is wrong or right. I'm sorry if you or someone close to you has ever been affected by drugs or have been killed due to the "war on drugs". But I will adamently defend myself and marijuana smokers everywhere in that there's no way you can categorize us with cop killers. You don't think murder resulted from prohibition and the governments war on alcohol in the 20's? Murder is a result of violent means of opposition, and I'll say that for every 10 violent alcoholics I've known, it's hard to find 1 violent pot smoker. And on that note, I myself, along with millions of other people are able to consume alcohol in a responsible way that does not compromise their judgement and is inconsequential to others. So let's please avoid judgement here.

On another note, All41. I understand your argument but I counter with this, and I could very well be wrong, but I would think the only "thc" held in fat cells are non-psychoactive thc metabolites that would have no adverse effect at all on long-term brain function.
The "Society for Neuroscience" has this to say...

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In radioactive tracing studies, scientists found that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana, binds to specific receptors, many of which coordinate movement. Thismay explain why people who drive after they smoke marijuana are impaired. The hippocampus, a structure involved with memory storage and learning, also contains many THC receptors. This may explain why heavy users or those intoxicated on marijuana have poor short-term memory and problems processing complex information. Scientists recently discovered that these receptors normally bind to a natural internal chemical
called anandamide, and are now working to see how this natural marijuana affects brain function.
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I highly doubt these receptors are going to react from thc metabolites stored in your fat cells. The receptors are only effected immediately after consumption.
Also note that it only mentions that there are receptors present but not their actual reaction to thc. Any reaction or effect to these receptors are merely postulated. And lastly, isn't the fat in the brain different from fat in the body in that it's not stored fat that acts as energy but more of a consistent of the brain itself?

Aaron C. Jan 26, 2004, 1:27 PM
I had a friend in college who smoked pot every single day. I'm not sure of a time when he wasn't high. That dude was the slowest person I know. He was smart as hell, but it was like he was in slow motion all the time. Pretty sure it was because of smoking all that pot.

Gen,

I think you have been somewhat misled into believing that marijuana and other drugs such as crack cocoine, heroin, etc. are all the same.

Marijuana is clearly NOT in the same class. The so-called "war on drugs" should not IMO include Marijuana. Pot smokers are almost 100% NON-violent. People don't kill people/rob/steal to get weed. It just doesn't happen.

I'm in no way condoning it with this post, just saying that it's not even remotely in the same category.
CCHADWI Jan 26, 2004, 4:56 PM
Personally I've never smoked Marijuana or done any other illegal drug, so to be able to discuss effects it's had on me physically or mentally would be impossible. This is just something I've wanted to be able to tell my kids I've never done.(not that I have any yet or anything) It has however had an effect on me personally due to friends doing a lot of them. Marijuana isn't the same as a lot of other drugs that I've seen people do and the toll that they have taken on them.

I have always been a strong supporter of marijuana being legalized, and have done a number of research papers on the issue, back when I was in college. In college you could even hold focus groups to get information from people, due to the fact it was everywhere you turned. But at the same time, I can make arguments that it does impair people directly, and can lead to accidents which can be fatal.

Having worked for two different Fortune 500 companies, being a manager for one of them, we held numerous drug screens, for both managers, and the employees. I did know of a number of people who smoked on a regular basis, which somehow managed to pass their tests, and in no way did it ever effect their performance. So I guess for testing, it depends on the facility itself.

The key question to ask yourself Bama is, "Is smoking worth the chance of it effecting my career?" If you can say that I'm not giving it up, you should choose another field. If you can say, no it's not worth it, because nursing is something I've always wanted to do, and I wouldn't want anything to obstruct my chances of having a long career in this industry, than you should stick with nursing and quit smoking.

This is just my two cents worth. Whether you take it for value or consider it nonsense, that's your opinion as well. Either way, I wish you the best with whatever you decide, and hope everything works out well for you.
Generation2 Jan 27, 2004, 2:50 PM
What I meant by "a nurse should know better" is that there's a bigger picture here. That's our job, our training, to see the big picture. The whole situation. I myself was addicted to cigaretts, and I smoked pot. I know nobody's immune, and I don't get off on being high and mighty. Sorry if I came off that way. I'll never blame anyone for being addicted to something, but if you're not addicted I'll give you some flack. No, most marijuana smokers are not violent. People don't kill for pot. But people do kill for money, and drug trade is a cash-only business. "Prices for commercial-grade marijuana have remained relatively stable over the past decade, ranging from approximately $400 to $1,000 per pound in U.S. Southwest border areas to between $700 to $2000 per pound in the Midwest and northeastern United States." That's from the DEA website.
"Furthermore, criminal groups operating from neighboring Mexico smuggle... marijuana into the United States. These criminal groups have smuggled heroin and marijuana across the Southwest Border and distributed them throughout the United States since the 1970s."
The statement I'm trying to make here is this: people do get hurt because of marijuana, and people who ignore that are, in my opinion, socially irresponsible. That's why I don't do it anymore.
Lastly, don't tell me not to make judgements. You have no right to tell me what to think.
Aaron C. Jan 27, 2004, 4:44 PM
I agree that it hurts people in that regard. I think anything illegal does. I was referring to it more along the lines of the actual physical act of smoking pot and it's effects.

I think that this would become a neverending argument (oh well, it's at least discussion on here I guess), because of the fact that if it was legal, the harm you're discussing would be nonexistant, but the fact remains that it IS STILL ILLEGAL.

I don't think that you can tell people they are socially irresponsible because they smoke pot, other than for the simple fact that the "law" says it's illegal.

That's almost like saying if you aren't personally taking a stand against alchohol because some people drink and drive, then you are socially irresponsible.

I'm still going to continue to eat cheeseburgers from fast food restaurants even though fat and cholestoral are clogging peoples arteries and giving causing them to have strokes and heart attacks.

I mean, I agree with you in principle, but not so much with your actual argument. Does that make sense?
BamaRN Jan 27, 2004, 6:06 PM
Gen. I'm not telling you what to think, nor what to believe. I'm simply asking that you refrain from making judgements about someone you have never met. And as for your argument about importers/smugglers (etc.), what's your response to someone that grows their own?

Bus, thanks for the responses (and everyone else). I always enjoy a little healthy debating, ESPECIALLY when there is no (agreeable) right or wrong answer.
mercynurse Jan 28, 2004, 2:05 PM
I've never done any kind of recretional drugs as a personal choice but...
My husband's master thesis was on the ineffectiveness of the "war on drugs" Pot is no more of a problem than alcohol....probably less so except that it is still illegal.
medi Jan 30, 2004, 6:32 PM
Hi BamaRN..
I'm not going to bother to get into whether pot should be legalized or not because what I think doesn't really change the fact that it is. My husband is fond of saying "what is, is"... and in this case that's the way it is.
Like WindingRoad..I've never had to do a drug test.. not even in the service.. but times are changing and I see "We drug test" signs up everywhere lately- even at Walmarts and Taco Bells.. my point being that I think you can expect drug screening almost anywhere you might go to work after you graduate. If you smoke pot can you be sure you have the time to use Goldenseal or whatever the latest thing that clears it from your system is before a random test at work?

(No... I've never used any illegal drug including pot, but I'm sorry (and sad) to say that my daughter used to smoke pot so I know how she cleared it from her system before pre-employment physicals).

I wouldn't want a doctor who was stoned taking care of me. I sure wouldn't want my nurse to have a buzz either- any more than I'd want an alcoholic with my life in their hands.

The point I'm getting at here is that I have to go along with those who are advising you to make a choice about what's really important to you. Do you want a career (as a nurse)-- or is getting high more important to you?

If getting high wins.. then that tells you you shouldn't become a nurse.

So... what's more important to you?

Also.. I don't know about your school, but mine was extremely competative. My class started out with well over 250 students but only 42 of us made it to that BSN degree (and we were the largest class they graduated). If your college is as competative you'd better worry about some fellow student telling an instructor you smoke pot! Remember- clinicals are highly subjective and clinical instructors can fail you on a whim. All it would take is someone who wants to graduate instead of you slipping the word to the wrong ears. Is a little pot worth it?? To you? To your future (and career).. to those who love you?

RNBob Mar 2, 2004, 2:02 PM
I read these responses and it's easy to see the polarization on the subject of drug use. Fact is, whatever your opinion is you can't help but communicate it to patients so it is good to do some self-examination on the topic. I hope your opinion are guided by compassion.
During my years in hospice I know that using pot alleviated many symptoms for people suffering at the end of their lives.
I've personally lost interest in smoking pot but enjoyed using it recreationally for years. It is possible to evade drug screens. Many facilities have stopped drug testing because so few people test positive. I once worked in a herbal shop and we sold teas that successfully concealed the use of THC.
My experience has been that occasional use is relatively benign but that joint you smoked last night will still be affecting you at morning report.
Anonymous Mar 2, 2004, 3:26 PM
I am supposing you have done some self examination also.



WR,,, three commas for Becca
mercynurse Mar 8, 2004, 11:52 AM
Nursing always requires drug testing...you can't smoke when you hold a nursing job...if you are tested and are positive, you can loose your license, or be made to attend rehab.
Anonymous Mar 8, 2004, 8:30 PM
I have been a nurse for 24 years. Last September was the first time I was ever tested. This is my 5th travel assignment.. From CT to NV to CA and now in NC..Three different companies.


WR,,, three commas for Becca
CRNAspa Sep 7, 2008, 5:25 PM
There is definitely a lack of education about substance misuse and addiction in all health care training programs (medical, nursing, pharmacy, etc.) As a result, most decisions about the recreational (or non-medical use if you prefer) of mood altering chemicals is based on what I call the "3M's"...myth, misbelief, and misinformation. We could add a 4th M, morality, since many of the 3M's are based on a moral view as opposed to scientific information. Research over the past 20 years has provided a significant increase in understanding how mood altering chemicals affect the brain. Those who misuse (misuse = chronic, non-medical use, or the use of a currently illegal substance) mood altering substances experience significant alterations in the brain, both structurally and chemically. Individuals with a genetic predisposition to chemical dependence (addiction) are at risk for developing this chronic, progressive, potentially fatal disease.

Marijuana is a relatively "mild" combination of mood altering chemicals as well as other substances that can lead to heart disease, lung disease, and mental health disorders other than chemical dependence.

The single most relevant reason not to engage in the use of marijuana at the present time is it's status as an illegal substance. Regardless of it's relative potency when compared to other chemicals, including alcohol, the use of marijuana is illegal in most states and therefore is a violation of the nurse practice act. Whether you agree or disagree with current law, the willful use of an illegal substance in your private life still violates the laws that allow you to practice nursing. This means discovery of your use is reason enough to suspend and/or revoke your license.

As a licensed health care professional, we are expected to make our decisions based on scientific principles, nursing principles, and professional/ethical principles. The willful use of illegal mood altering substances is evidence of a lack of professional and ethical decision making.

Information from the NIDA
InfoFacts - Marijuana

How is Marijuana Abused/Misused?

Marijuana is usually smoked as a cigarette (joint) or in a pipe. It is also smoked in blunts, which are cigars that have been emptied of tobacco and refilled with marijuana. Since the blunt retains the tobacco leaf used to wrap the cigar, this mode of delivery combines marijuana's active ingredients with nicotine and other harmful chemicals. Marijuana can also be mixed in food or brewed as a tea. As a more concentrated, resinous form it is called hashish, and as a sticky black liquid, hash oil.* Marijuana smoke has a pungent and distinctive, usually sweet-and-sour odor.

How Does Marijuana Affect the Brain?


Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to the brain and other organs throughout the body.

THC acts upon specific sites in the brain, called cannabinoid receptors, kicking off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the “high” that users experience when they smoke marijuana. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. The highest density of cannabinoid receptors are found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thoughts, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.1

Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.

Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system3 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine.4 Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

Addictive Potential

Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction; that is, compulsive drug seeking and abuse despite its known harmful effects upon social functioning in the context of family, school, work, and recreational activities. Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2–3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation.5

Marijuana and Mental Health

A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders6. High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction, and research suggests that in vulnerable individuals, marijuana use may be a factor that increases risk for the disease.

What Other Adverse Effect Does Marijuana Have on Health?


Effects on the Heart


One study found that an abuser’s risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana.7 The researchers suggest that such an outcome might occur from marijuana’s effects on blood pressure and heart rate (it increases both) and reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

Effects on the Lungs

Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increases the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.10 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Effects on Daily Life

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover.

As a recovering addict and peer assistance advisor, I don't make decisions about substance misuse and chemical dependency based on morality. Substance misuse and chemical dependency are health care issues. Chemical dependency is a primary, chronic, progressive, UNNECESSARILY FATAL disease. It is prevented by refraining from recreational use of mood altering substances. It is treatable and long term recovery is possible with early recognition and intervention.
RoninRN Dec 27, 2008, 12:20 PM
Good lord people, marijuana is a relatively benign drug. Spend a few years in the ER and ICU. However, the CRNA-artist-fellow was right – it is a scheduled substance, getting caught using it implies that one takes this classification lightly. This is not good when we juggle gallons of morphine, dilaudid and ativan in the course of a year. Occasional use won’t be a problem, just be aware of the risk.
Robert F Dec 27, 2008, 6:42 PM
I am not going to speak on the ethics of drug use in the medical field, that has been done enough in the past. However, this post could not have come at a more perfect time. About a month ago, I was helping a friend of mine get on at my Ambulance service. She got through the fitness tests, etc; but failed the drug test for Marijuana. The state was notified and her license was placed on probation. She was then sent to Rehab by the TN Professional Assistance Program(TNPAP). Like an idiot, she continued to smoke. Mind you, she was working at another service as well. In light of these recent events, they drug tested her weekly to comply with the state board of EMS. Yesterday, I found out that she failed another test for Marijuana and her license is gone. I do not mean it shows up as "Inactive", I mean the damn thing disappeared from the registry all together.

We have put alot of time and effort into our education. We have busted our hind-ends and have went to hell and back. Would you throw it all away just for one little joint?
Robert F Dec 29, 2008, 1:19 PM
I hate to break it to you, but a drug is a drug. Anyone who is working to become a nurse and doing any kind of drug is a fool. Period.

I am not speaking on the ethics of drugs. The fact is, they are illegal and it is in violation of the nurse practice act of any state to be caught with them. People constantly use working in the unit or trauma or the er or whatever to justify the use of illicit substances. I have worked all of them and am currently working all of them: Flight, Trauma Unit, Trauma ICU, Ambulance, and even floating to ER. Do I see things that disturb me? Every day. That does not justify me using drugs.

No, Ronin; my friend's problem does not extend beyond the use of pot and she certainly is not a moron. She can wipe the floor with any other paramedic I know in the pathophysiology and mechanisms of Trauma. She holds the same degree in Paramedicine that I do, from the same class. I have seen her manage multi victim trauma's without breaking a sweat. She simply failed for pot both times. I do not care if you are an EMT, Paramedic, RN, LPN, CNA, CRNA, MD; drugs are illegal and if you were in my unit and I knew you were on them; I would fire you in a heartbeat and would report you to the state board so quick it would make your head spin.
cougarnurse Dec 29, 2008, 9:10 PM
Medic, I doubt Ron really meant your friend is a moron. I think I get his point, though....friend should know better.

True, I believe pot should have medicinal use: appetite stimulant in Aids pt's, glaucoma.... However, previous posts all point to pot causing slowness, etc. Honestly, if there is an emergency, I would NOT want someone who smokes it recreationally even near me/mine/my patient. Too many variables already hitting the fan to loose anything to chance.

OK....off my soapbox.
AmandaWIRN Dec 30, 2008, 8:04 AM
I see it like this, maybe it shouldn't be illegal, but the fact of the matter is- it is illegal... So, if you can disregard the law to smoke pot, then what's to stop you from disregarding the law for other things, like diverting drugs from work, driving drunk, etc....

Working in the medical field and doing drugs don't go together- so if you want to smoke pot, you should find another field to work in- one where people's lives aren't on the line...
LivingDeadNurse Dec 30, 2008, 10:41 PM
okay worried about drug test? you might want to research just how much damage it does to your brain. which mean you will be impaired when you take care of your pts. not to mention even if there isn't a drug tests there are people like me that won't think twice to rat you out when you accidently tell the wrong person what you do. my pts always come first. i am not saying your a bad person your just not making wise choices. please change fields if you want to do your hobby because i don't want u taking care of me or my pts under the influence...thanks and thats my 2 cents:nurse-soapbox:
Ricu Dec 31, 2008, 2:05 PM
Don't you wish that there was some way to package coping skills into a form that could be taken in drink, pills or smoke? Just as easy as that- no work at all. Maybe we would see a little less chemical dependency out there.

Speaking of chemicals, Happy New Year everyone! I get to work tomorrow- can't wait for the morning after crowd, both patients and coworkers...

Cheers!

R